Cancer Hates Happiness: Emma Victoria Johnson’s Story of Survival, Support, and Smiles

Dr. Brad Miller 0:00

Hello, good people! Welcome to Cancer and Comedy. This is the podcast where we look to offer cancer-impacted people hope with a little dash of humor, and that's what we're all about. And today's guest is Emma Victoria Jackson. I'm going to call her Emma, and she is a girl from England who's now living in Australia, but was handed a couple years ago a terminal stage four breast cancer prognosis, and she just flat out refused to accept it. She said, "No way, and so she ended up going to Tijuana, Mexico, for treatment, and now she's doing well with her cancer and cancer-free, and she's a delight to be with us here in Cancer Company. So, Emma, welcome to our conversation here today, my friend.

Emma Victoria Johnson 0:49

Thank you for having me, Brad, and hello, everybody else.

Dr. Brad Miller 0:53

Well, we have a lot. We have a lot of folks who join us who have faced cancer or other adversity in their life, and are looking for for some way to navigate it, and we look to people like yourself who've kind of faced the insanity of facing cancer, and and then are working their way through it with a little bit of humor as well. But before we get into the heavy stuff, let's just get some real basic deals. How does a girl from England land in Australia, kind of what, and then what do you do? What gives me a little bit of background on you here?

Emma Victoria Johnson 1:28

Oh dear! Well, in Australia because I met a boy, yes, we do. So that's my day, and that was a bit of a mistake. But anyway, so yeah, I met an Australian in England. We were together for quite a long time. Unfortunately, it didn't end well. You know, I should never have married an Australian guy. And then I ended up with another one. You know, we never learn our lessons, do we? Yeah. In Australia, and now I am here for life because I love it. You know, the weather's great. I've got myself a cute little dog, and I guess with me going back to England, the weather is just miserable. So I decided to stay with the good weather in Australia.

Dr. Brad Miller 2:06

There you go. There you go. Well, what's life like for you on a good day? What's a good day like for you?

Emma Victoria Johnson 2:14

Look, um, since cancer, a good day is me getting up positive. Um, I do a few treatments. I go to the gym every day. I have a shaky, shaky board, which is like lymphatic drainage. I have a very good diet, so I guess all day I have to decide what I'm going to eat. Look, it gets miserable at times because there's only so many vegetables that one body can take. You know, there is a cheat day now and then, but on my days typically I answer my Instagram messages, I honestly get about 150 to 160 messages a day. Some of them can be really oddball messages. Most of them are people reaching out for hope and for help with cancer. Other than that, I take my dog for a walk and I do some work for Oasis of Hope, the clinic that's saving my life. I used to have a business. I used to own a hair salon, and I had that for 10 years here in Australia. But obviously, getting the diagnosis, I tried to run the business. I tried to beat cancer, and let me tell you, you cannot do both.

Dr. Brad Miller 3:18

No,

Emma Victoria Johnson 3:18

you cannot do both. Yeah, so

Dr. Brad Miller 3:20

it becomes a full time effort and so on. So let's kind of go back there to when this all first went down in 2023. You got this word about stage four breast cancer. So just tell me what kind of what were your emotions in? What were you feeling? What was going on with in your brain, in your heart, in your body, at that point,

Emma Victoria Johnson 3:43

you know what, Brad? It's really funny. I literally got the diagnosis, and I think within 30 minutes after the shock of it, I was like, "I am not prepared to die. And this guy, this oncologist, he does not have the right to give me a death sentence because he's not God. And I think something lit up inside me that got me not angry, but I was just like, I am not ready to go. There's no way I'm dying. Like I'm fit, I'm healthy, I'm young, and I think the way he delivered it to me, you know, it was like he was almost ordering a steak at a restaurant. There was no compassion. Wow, it was literally like you have 18 months to live, or with these two pills that we're offering you. There was no chemo offered. There was no surgery. There was no hope. There was no radiation. 18 months to live with the pills, and I'm thinking, what's the point in living for 18 months? You're not going to die anyway. Just to do a tat, you know, to watch the clock ticking. And then he said, "Oh, you've got three months um to live without the pills, and I think it just made me really angry and determined to prove him wrong. So I was like, "I said you're fired. You are no longer my oncologist, and I went searching for hope and an alternative route and found a different way. Become some,

Dr. Brad Miller 5:01

yeah. Well, it sounds like you fired your oncologist, but a little fire under you, didn't it? You know, you got fired up to do something about it, both for your personal health and then for other things too. And you, as you mentioned already, you already had not only cancer diagnosis, you had relationship breaking up and losing a business and some other things like like that going on, so you kind of had things kind of stacking up in your life, and I think that often happens when it just seems like it's a cascade of problems sometimes come along, and and I like what in a conversation we had a couple weeks ago. You called kind of the people that you broke up with was not only your boyfriend but a close friend. So you call them two clowns in your life, and so in a way, you've kind of clowned on cancer and the negative things in your life. You've kind of you've kind of clowned them, haven't you? In the sense of you're you've beat those beat that back, and here you are. So that's awesome.

Emma Victoria Johnson 5:58

Yes. Well, it's funny. Obviously, referring back to that story, so obviously the ex boyfriend left me seven days after getting cancer because apparently I was a death sentence and probably going to be a bird into his bank if he had to pay any money towards my treatment. He ran as fast as he could up the hills, and then my best friend at the time, just because I couldn't give a hurt because obviously I'm fighting cancer. Yeah, I wasn't replying to her messages quickly enough. I was no longer hanging out, you know, going out with the girls. So she decided to get with the ex, and I remember going to my older sister. Well, two clowns together, and do you know what they did? They gave me more. They gave me more fire to go. I am gonna win this battle even more just to stick around longer to let you know that you are wrong about it.

Dr. Brad Miller 6:47

Well, I think the clown theme will pop up again in our conversation here in a minute or two. But let's kind of go because it's part of how you dealt with your treatment situation. But they are your oncologist at your terminal. You've had all these bad things happen to you, and I think you said something. You know, they only have two choices: believe what they say and die, or refuse and go looking. And you went looking, and you ended up in Tijuana at a place called Oasis of Hope. So how did that all go together?

Emma Victoria Johnson 7:20

Well, I was searching online. I was trying to find a clinic to give me a super pill to get rid of cancer. Clearly, I've watched way too many movies, thinking that there's this secret, you know, bunker somewhere in the world that you can pay for to go and get cured. And I got told about Oasis of Hope from a friend of mine who also has cancer, and two weeks later I was on a plane and I was at the clinic and I remember saying to my sister, "Yeah, I'm going to Tijuana. Um, is this clinic and um, you know they can help you fight cancer. And she says, "Do you think you're going to be kidnapped and your organs are going to be sold? You're going to Tijuana? I mean, it sounds crazy, doesn't it? You know, like I'm going from medical treatment to Tijuana, like the mafia gang of the world.

Dr. Brad Miller 8:08

Wow,

Emma Victoria Johnson 8:09

wow. Well, people,

Dr. Brad Miller 8:10

people, people are people are scared. You know, when they say words like that, it's kind of like cancer is a very charged word. But when you talk about getting treatment, kind of outside the norm, you know, kind of what the expectation that your oncologist gives you-that's scary too, and it's also scary to your family and others as well when you're looking at alternative treatment. Yeah. So, what'd you find there?

Emma Victoria Johnson 8:30

And you know what? Cut in.

Dr. Brad Miller 8:33

Go ahead and finish your thought there, but I do want to know what you found when you got there. Once you got fast past the fear or whatever was going on with that,

Emma Victoria Johnson 8:43

and you know, I was never scared when I got there. I was never scared of going to Tijuana. Look, I had cancer.

Dr. Brad Miller 8:48

Yeah,

Emma Victoria Johnson 8:48

I had more scary things to be scared of than getting off a plane and being scared of Mexico. So honestly, when I arrived, it's literally 20 minutes from the border of San Diego. Those gates opened, and it is like a safe haven. I honestly felt like I'd walked into heaven. Like the gates opened, you know. There's waterfalls. There's beautiful doctors. There's treatment rooms. You've got your own bedroom when you get there. I just felt like I was in some holy place, and it was the best decision I ever made. And I honestly truly believe somehow God or an angel had given me that place to go to, because you know it's worked, and I'm almost cancer-free, and I was given no hope. And that place is just beautiful. Everyone, like Dr. Contreras, is my absolute superhero. He should wear a cloak. Seriously, he should walk around the clinic with a superhero outfit on because he is a superhero, and everyone that goes there too. You know, I understand the fear, and you know, I always know a newbie. You know, that walks in because they've got that look. You know, like when you were a kid at school and you'd start a new lesson or a new sport, and you have that fear face. And I always know the newbies, and I always go over and I say, hey. It's gonna be all right.

Well,

it's gonna be

That's awesome. So you've part of what you do now, I understand, is kind of being an ambassador, kind of helping people to feel more comfortable in this setting, and to also give it some validity and credibility. I mean, we're not you know a lot of people would have an image. This might be some hole-in-the-wall place, or a strip mall, or something like this. But you know, this is a legit clinic. I understand, and you're able to give it some credibility by your professionalism and that kind of thing. But I was interested. You said at the clinic, and you had just such a joyful countenance about you. But they started calling you what they call the clinic clown. So tell me about that. How how that come how'd that come about, and what were you there for a long extended time for treatment for one thing?

Oh, I think just because I was so happy and positive, and you know there'll be people that can't go into treatment, and I'm knocking on the door saying, "Hey, you're gonna make that treatment because if you don't, you're gonna die.

So you've got to

go get in the treatment. You're here to live,

and

you're gonna have yeah. If you are upset about getting into a heat pod for an hour, well then let's let the cancer grow because you're gonna die. So I guess that just became this. I'm like I'm a very small little human. You know if I can do this, you can do this, you know. So I think I just became. I've got a bit of a sick sense of humor, and you know, I wander around if I see people struggling. I give them some banter, but I get I give them hope, and nothing's ever that bad, you know.

So it's kind of a little bit of dark humor there, but it's really more encouragement, prodding in a good way. You know, encouragement like you, you can do it, you got this kind of thing. And you know, what's the alternative? You know, you're here, kind of like you said to yourself. If I understand, you said, well, you know, I could kidnap things and all that kind of thing. Well, what's you know, cancer is going to get me as well. So you did it, and I think one of the things we talked about in one of our prior conversations was something like that. Cancer hates happiness, and I'd like to always

does

I would like you to just go with that for a minute. To say just say a word about that, and not only had your own experience and how you observe other patients and others you know other you know treatment processes. Tell me why do you? What's behind that statement? Cancer hates happiness.

Well, I think. Well, first of all, cancer loves negativity. You know, and if you're negative and feeling down about yourself, and you're feeling stressed and depressed, it definitely feeds cancer. Cancer hates misery. Cancer hates, you know, depression, stress, sugar. Cancer hates all those things. So for me, positivity, hope, and thinking I can do this, and wake up every day feeling grateful, and going into that clinic when I see people upset, I'm like, you're giving cancer what it wants. When you're feeling sad, cancer's thriving in the body. I'm happy. You're making it happy, so we have to turn it around. Like, look, don't get me wrong. I'm not happy 24/7. There's some days when I wish I had a kind of normal life, but then I think to myself, "Well, oh my god, I'm alive. Are you kidding? I am alive. I should be dead. And then all of a sudden, I'm happy again. So I think people need to stop feeling sorry for themselves. You know, cancer at the moment is turbo exploding in younger people, and we have to fight it, and we have to learn to live with it. And life is for living, and it's so easy. It's so much easier to be sad and depressed than it is to be happy. So when I see those people in the clinic that are having trouble, I don't know where my strength comes from. But I'm just like, life is for living. You are feeding it. You are giving cancer happiness when you're sad. Honestly, it's funny. I always go on.

No, no. Finish your thoughts here, please.

I was gonna say I love that I can bring people back from that and make them happy. So there was one girl. She'd been crying for about seven hours in the IB room. So I decided to pick up a guitar and go dancing down the IB room, singing the friend song, you know, on TV.

Oh yeah,

I'm gonna sing because I'm terrible and I can't even play the guitar. And she was in stitches the whole time. Guess what she went and did? She went and did her treatments afterwards. All right, she'd been crying in that IB room for seven hours,

and that's part of your treatment for yourself. When you make someone else feel good by singing a silly song or guitar or that kind of thing, that helps you, doesn't it? You know, it helps you have a sense of purpose and fulfillment. Gives you that

that that

shiver up the spine, that kind of stuff, right?

Yeah, I feel like it's been my new superpower. Helping people has helped me too. It makes me feel good. It gives me more. It gives me more fight because now I'm not only fighting for me, I'm fighting for everybody else at that clinic. So I can't let anybody down now.

Well, tell me about the shaky board. I'm not even sure what. I know what that is, but you said you make treatment days with the shaky board fun. So I know you may have mentioned about the song you just sang, but tell me first of all, what is a shaky board? I guess I'm just a dumb guy who doesn't know what that is, but how do you make this thing fun?

So the shaky shaky board is limb funny drainage, which is real for anyone with cancer, so it's 10 minutes a day, and I do jump on it. And if you see my Instagram, you will see me doing all sorts of silly dances on the shaky, shaky board to different songs. I guess I just made it fun of the day. I love dancing around the house, so hey, welcome to dance on the shaky, shaky, and you know it makes the time go quicker. And I enjoy getting on it every day rather than it being a oh I've got to stand on this board for 10 minutes.

Yeah,

I get on it and put a song on and I have fun. It's great. Yeah, but it's really good for lymphatic drainage. Yeah. So yeah, if anyone wants to see any shaky shaky dances, there

you go. I'd love to. We'll check that out, and we'll put that link in our show notes as well, so people can check you out on the shaky, shaky board, right? They can do that, and it's not like, and you sing some songs. Do you ever get any of your quests? You know, sing this song, or do you get anybody to do it? Well, no, but

That is such a good idea. I'm going to take that. I'm going to put it on. You could cut

maybe, maybe a moment. Gosh, what is it? When you karaoke, that's what I'm thinking of. You could have a karaoke shaky board or something like that. There you go. I

like that. There you go. Okay, I'm gonna put a vote out to socials. Hey,

We started a new trend here, Emma. I don't know what a weird, weird trend. You and I did. Well, you mentioned something else that I thought was really interesting in our prior conversation. You've named something a lot of patients can't describe, but I think it's I think it's a real thing. You call it PET scannedy or PET scannedy, scan I scannexidy scanned. I want you to go with it because I remember you talking about it, but tell me what you meant. What pronouns it first of all, and then unpack it for a week and understand what that's about.

So it's called scan anxiety. So before, so you know, everyone knows what anxiety is. So it's a scan and a scan anxiety. So basically, before you go for a scan or a PET scan, or blood test, or any kind of testing. There is a real thing where your head goes into spinning mode, and I'm saying for a few days you are like, oh my god, I had that scan on such a day. Like I've got mine in a week, and my brain is already starting to click into spiraling. You know, it is scary. You, it's an anxiety that I can't even explain. You know, you start. Oh, I've got a slight bit of pain here. Oh my god, it's cancer. Like we go into this wild, dark scan anxiety. It is definitely a thing, and it's funny. Whenever I post it, do people completely agree with me? Oh, I have that. So yeah, so I made my own little scan anxiety.

Yeah. So what do you do about it? And then how's what you do about it helpful to others?

What do I do about it? Oh, well, I try and flip it to the back of my mind and think, you know what? I can't change anything now. I've got to go into that machine, and whatever happens and whatever those results are, I'm just gonna smash it. Doesn't matter if it's grown, if it's back in another place, if um you know if I'm gonna get bad news, which thank God I haven't at the moment. But um I go in that tunnel. I think to myself, no matter what the outcome is, I'm gonna be okay. So I think you have to believe in yourself.

Some self talk, some self talk there, and

yeah,

and even verbalize it and make it very real, make it very vibrant in your mind and and in your your voice, and and I think you know self talk, self talk, and self affirmation can be a an antidote, as it were, to scan, I scan anxiety and think that's that's great. Well, it seems like you. I'm sorry. Go ahead. It is what

I was. I was going to say it is very emotional for me. You know, it's a hard time, and I really appreciate anyone that has to go through that because it is terrifying, and I think once it's over with, the worst part is waiting for the results, and I think that's when the anxiety kicks in. You know, you're waiting for the answers. So look, and everybody out there, you know, just whatever happens, just you just got to deal with it.

Waiting is an excruciating time, lots of times, and it sounds like you've stepped up and been helpful to people, and you've built some new relationships. Even though you said something to the effect of, "You, you know, cancer came along in your life. It showed you who your real friends are. You know, you lost some friends and some relationships, but did you gain some new ones, or did you see who in your circle of friends really stepped forward? Can you just say?" Word about relationships, how they changed, and how they have now maybe in some ways gone a little deeper. For in some ways,

absolutely. Well, I definitely think anyone that's got cancer or had cancer can relate that a lot of people do walk away because you know cancer is a scary word. I think the people that leave your life are those that you can no longer serve, so they weren't really your friends in the first place. My close circle of friends have been by my side and never left, and been amazing. I've got five beautiful girlfriends, and they've been absolutely wonderful. And yes, they've stepped up, but they were great anyway. But they have definitely stepped up since getting diagnosed. Now my new friends, believe it or not, are all from the clinic.

Hey,

I met on social media.

Right.

I have now, honestly, I have about 10 beautiful, really close friends in America who I chat to maybe every second day. We video call, we Instagram text. We are-they're like my new family. So I've gained friends by traveling over the other side of the world and meeting some beautiful American people. And yeah, I feel like I've been very lucky. So I have lost friends, which I do not even think about anymore. But God removed them and gave me even better people. So you know, I'm grateful. Well,

and that's such a part of the healing process: having friends and relationships that you can delight in. That's one of the things I like to say: that you can, you know, enjoy them. They can enjoy you, and it's not always about cancer or all the bad nonsense they can have to you. It's just about celebrating life and just being friends, and you know whatever you're going to talk about the latest TV show or whatever sports things or whatever it would be.

I will tell you a little secret.

Sure, Americans are

way more fun than Australians.

Really? Well, I think the vibe among a lot of Americans is that Australians are having a pretty good time over there. With

no way, honestly, I have so much fun. I think I think, and I hope no one in Australia is going to be listening to this. But they're very serious people, and they don't take banter very easily. So yes, they're a different breed, and and just um, you just so you know, I go over to America, and everyone's just so warm and welcoming and beautiful, and have a good giggle. You know, you can go into a restaurant on your own, and no one looks at you weird. Very different over here. Very different. It's very closed off. Yeah, but

but you're doing something about it, aren't you? In your local situation, you're bringing a smile to people and and a little more fun to people. That that that that's your that's your nature. Well, I want to turn on a dime here about that. This is kind of a weird question I ask it sometimes with people, and I think you could handle it, Emma. You've handled weird stuff from weird you know, weird people before, but this-the question is: if you could sit across the table from cancer, if you could just-if it was some sort of an entity that you could actually talk to, one on one, and say a few things to cancer in the face, in the face of cancer. What would you say? What would you say?

I would say it first of all. I would say I'm going to beat you first. I'm going to win this battle. I would ask why, because I still have a question. What did I do to get cancer? What is wrong with my body? How did this happen? But I would sit it in the face and tell it, "I'm not scared. You don't, you don't rule my life every day. I don't wake up and go, "Oh my god, I've got cancer. Every day, I wake up and I go, "I'm going to kick its butt today. Yeah, there you go. Double up on something. So, look, it doesn't scare me. I would tell it that I've actually learned to love my body more, like treat it better. So you know what I give cancer love. You know, there you go. A lady once said to me, "Yeah, a lady once said to me, you know, you can't hate cancer because actually the cancer turns into a tumor to try and rescue the body, which I never knew that. So you know, there's lots of different ways to look at cancer. But yeah, I look it in the face and tell it, "I'm gonna beat you. But thank you for showing me life because it really did give me a wake up call. Well, that gave me it. Yeah, it gave me a wake up call. It changed me. It made me into a better person. I've met some beautiful people. I've saved quite a few people's lives by following me to Oasis, so I'm grateful for cancer. But yes, I am going to kick its butt.

I love it. I love it. In fact, that's one of the things we like to say in cancer and comedy. We're here to kick cancer's butt, and so with hope and with humor, you certainly have had that to a great extent and. So that's awesome because it's not letting cancer define you. You are not cancer, you know. You are you. You are Emma Victoria Jackson, and you have your own delightful personality and lots of things to offer to people around the world, and you're doing it. But you have been changed by this experience, and this change, you know, you some people see it as a downward spiral to death and spiral to death and doom. You've chosen to define it for something for a greater good, and so that's really why I'd like to go into the last couple questions I have for you. Really, Emma, is that you've kind of turned this whole experience into a mission, haven't you? This is kind of what you are all about, kind of helping folks that you didn't know before through these dark days, you do it on your Instagram. You do it by being an advocate for the Ways of Hope, and I think you have your own podcast, or at least you're thinking about doing one. And so, tell me about what's to tell me about your mission going forward. What are we going to expect from Emma going forward? Are we going to see podcasts, books, or speaking? What are we going to see about what you're going to do moving forward?

Yes, we are going to see all of those. I'm in the middle of writing my book at the moment about survival and hope, with a bit of dark humor. You know, a bit of my experiences in life and what got me to where I am today, I am going to hopefully once I'm cancer free. I would love to work in the clinic, maybe do a couple of months a year, being there for patients. So that is something that we're going to talk about. I would, I yes, it is in the pipeline of possibly doing my own show, which would be fantastic. It's really funny. I always wanted to be James Bond when I was younger, so now I'm like James Bond of Cancer.

Joe, love it. The James, the James, the I love that the James Bond of Cancer. I love that. There you go.

So, there we go. As long as they can have it, they can give me some of the James Bond tools. I'd love to, you know. Ah, you gadgets.

Yeah, you need some you know the cars with the zappers and all those crazy things. Something I'll zap the zap the the the super villain cancer out there, and yeah, and I along

this yes you

along this process. Well, you

all.

You already understand one of the most, according to one publication, Onco Daily's 100 most influential cancer survivors. So, with your Instagram and other things like that, that's pretty good right there. You're already making an impact. So, tell me a story. You already mentioned one person that you've touched. Tell me one more story about someone who you know that you've had some impact on. You mentioned about the girl who was crying in the hospital or in the treatment clinic, but maybe one of these people out in the world that you know have said something to you, Emma. That Emma, thank you for being a bright light or whatever it would be. Can you tell me a story like that?

Of course, I had a lady. Oh, we've been chatting for over a year on Instagram, and it is a scary thing to do to go over. And she did take another route to start with. Anyway, she eventually trusted me. She went over to the clinic. She did two rounds. I went with her the first time, so we made it the same time that I was going, and she sent me a message a couple of weeks ago and said I'm cancer free. She said, and and and she said, and that is because of you. And I've been talking to her for over a year, so you know it's not like if you don't want to go to the clinic, I'm still happy to chat. You know, I'm not there just to say go to Oasis or don't speak. You know, I'm like that's fine. If that's the path you want to do, go and try it. Let me know how you are. Like I'm, I care for people. I want you to succeed in whatever you choose is your decision. I will still be there for you. And I'm just so grateful that she trusted me in the end and went to the clinic and did two rounds, and now she is cancer free. And she said to me, "I would not be, I would not be alive today without you. And I remember when she chose the other way, and I was like, "I said to her, 'You'll be back. Oh, that's awesome because you were back.

You were encouraged through the whole process, even when people go through their low points, and so let's kind of end our conversation here today. And but with this, let's just say you're talking kind of an initial conversation with someone who just kind of where you were at a few years ago, who just kind just got diagnosed with with cancer, especially if they're a young woman like yourself, breast cancer, and given you know, I call this the insane stage. When you first get a diagnosis, you know you just can't really function. Your brain goes insane. They're being scared, confused, but they know the only thing they really know for sure is that I'm not done living yet. But what's next? And so, what's your message to that person?

My message would be to put yourself first, to listen to yourself and nobody else, because no one else knows the answers but yourself. Don't listen to what other people have got to say or their opinions. Put yourself first, have hope, and believe in yourself, and look inside yourself and find that inner warrior, because that's what I did, and that's what worked. If I'd have listened to everybody else and drowned myself with people's negativity or what people thought, I would be dead. So I closed my doors, I closed my ears, and like I was like, I need to do this for me. And you know, obviously at the time, I went through heartbreak as well, which only gave me more strength, but I think people need to learn not to, you know. I get that people have got families, and everyone's got their own opinions, but I always know deep down inside yourself, you always know what's right for you, and you should never be persuaded by other people.

Yeah, that is awesome, and thank you for sharing that. That comes from the heart, I know, and it also comes. I can just tell it comes from those types of experiences that you've had that have been helpful, helpful to others and fulfilling to yourself. Well, Emma, Victoria, Jack Johnson, it's been a pleasure to have you with us. Tell the folks how they can get a hold of you through Instagram or however best way to be in touch with you if they want to learn more about you.

Absolutely. Well, hey, do you want to watch the shaky, shaky dancing? I'm joking. No. All right, no one. That'd be fun. No, it will be on. It will be there. But um, yeah, my Instagram handle um is Emma Victoria underscore J. Um, I'm there if anyone wants to talk. I'm on DMs. Um, I post daily. I put some cancer, you know, things that are good and bad for cancer. So yeah, follow my journey and watch along and watch me kick cancer's butt. I guess.

Love it, love it. Well, dare you hear the joy and the energy and everything that's about Emma Victoria Johnson and Jackson, and she is proof that it is Johnson or Jackson?

It's hey, it's Johnson, but I quite like Jackson.

I'm sorry.

No, no, no. Hi, plenty. Jackson,

I like it. Oh, I, I no, no, no, no, no. Goodness, I'm sorry. Oh boy, I've kind of missed it. Emma Victoria Johnson. I'm going to say it again. Everybody, it's Emma Victoria Johnson, and you can call her Johnson. Here, here you go. But she is proof. You hear it in her voice. Hear what she's all about. That hope and humor, and a little bit of being is just a purely stubborn person, and defiant, and defiant to enough to rewrite a death sentence, and you can follow her her journey as she mentioned through her Instagram, and we'll put we'll put connections to that in our show notes at cancerandcomedy.com, along with the Oasis of Hope Clinic, which she advocates so much, and we're just all about her helping people feel a little less alone, so to keep laughing, keep fighting. Remember, and to help others to have a great day. So thank you for being with us. Our guest today on cancer comedy, Emma Victoria Johnson..