Turning Pain Into Play: Laughter Yoga and Healing with Cathy Nesbitt

0:00 Brad Miller

Make sure that it is working. Looks like we are recording. It's showtime. Very good. All right. Uh, today's date is, uh, March 10th, 2026, the Cancer Comedy Podcast. I'm talking with, uh, Cathy Nesbitt, uh, Nesbitt from Cathy Nesbitt's club.com, and we will start at the mark. 3, 2, 1. Mark. Hello. Good people. Welcome again to the Cancer and Comedy Podcast.

0:32 Brad Miller

This indeed is the podcast we look to offer, uh, cancer-impacted people and other people facing adversity to help them to, uh, have a message to help them to cope with hope and uh, humor. We have great guests with us today who help us to do just that, cope with hope and humor. Uh, Cathy Nesbitt is a health and wellness advocate, and she is dedicated to promoting joy and vitality through laughter and energy techniques.

1:00 Brad Miller

And she is a specialist in laughter yoga. She teaches that. She was appointed a Laughter Ambassador by the founder of Laughter Yoga, Dr. Madan Kataria. She uses various modalities to help people out of stress and into joy, and she believes that when we feel good, we do good, and she inspires others to lead a more joyful and fulfilling life.

1:21 Brad Miller

You can find her at her website, Cathy Nesbitt's club.com. Cathy Nesbitt, welcome to our conversation today.

1:24 Cathy Nesbitt

Thank you, Brad Miller. I'm excited to be here.

1:26 Brad Miller

Awesome. Well, it is good to have you, uh, with us. And, uh, been looking at your website and had a great conversation in preparation for this. Wonder a few things about you, and one of the things we kind of like to do sometimes is kind of set the context of what led someone to do something like laughter yoga. So, you shared with me that one of the things that kind of led you in this pathway was, uh, a tragic time with your stepfather passing away, and you were a young woman at the time.

2:07 Brad Miller

So tell me that story a little bit — what happened there and how'd that kind of led to the pathway to practice laughter yoga now.

2:13 Cathy Nesbitt

Yeah, so I was 21, and oh, I loved my stepfather. He was, he was like the father I didn't have — oops, that's not very nice to my real father. That's alright.

2:33 Brad Miller

That's alright.

2:34 Cathy Nesbitt

And you, you know, it's funny because people say women marry someone like their dad. I married someone like my stepdad.

2:41 Brad Miller

Okay. Yeah. What was his name?

2:44 Cathy Nesbitt

Mike. Mike. Yeah. And he was beautiful. He was so caring. Everybody loved him.

2:52 Cathy Nesbitt

He would do anything for anybody. He was the coach of my baseball team. Right. Uh, we would go every Sunday and play racquetball or squash, and then we'd go for gelato afterwards. And I decided I wanted to go and live in France to learn French. And when he was driving me to the airport, he was like, oh, it's not going to be the same when you come back.

3:14 Cathy Nesbitt

And I said, of course it will. We've got this beautiful relationship now. And it's like he knew something. I don't, I don't know. Um, when I came back a year later, um, he had brain cancer.

3:22 Brad Miller

: Oh my goodness. Okay. So things had changed health-wise with him.

3:34 Brad Miller

And so how did losing him and that whole drama and trauma — how did that navigate eventually to finding laughter as a way to deal with this? How did you navigate that?

3:44 Cathy Nesbitt

Yeah, so when Mike passed, I'm not sure why, but I associated his passing with work, and I said, I'm never going to stay in a job that doesn't serve me because we never know when our time is up.

4:02 Cathy Nesbitt

We never know when we're going to die, and that's true for everybody. And so I never stayed in a job that didn't serve me, and as soon as I got bored or something happened at work, I would quit my job and get another job.

4:18 Cathy Nesbitt

So I really honored his passing by living a life with integrity and doing what I wanted to do. Um, and then I started a worm business — laughter yoga didn't come until later.

4:38 Brad Miller

Juxtaposition there — worms and cancer and laughter. My goodness. Wow.

4:42 Cathy Nesbitt

It really is. But I think when you're living your life with intention, when you lose somebody early on in your life, it marks you. And at that time, I was 21, he was 38, and I was like, man, people die young.

5:01 Cathy Nesbitt

Yeah. Or they die when their time comes. And so I chose to live with intention and do the things that I wanted to do. Why wait, because we don't know how much time we have. And I'm so proud of the life that I've lived, that I haven't ever stayed in a job that didn't serve me.

5:27 Brad Miller

Yeah, well, that's awesome. 'Cause so many people do find themselves going down pathways that don't serve them. And you were in the worm composting business for a while. I want to find out more about that.

5:45 Brad Miller

But somewhere along the line, you pivoted to something called laughter yoga. So define that for us, for our audience — what is laughter yoga and what's that all about?

5:56 Cathy Nesbitt

Laughter Yoga is not jokes or comedy. It's not doing yoga and laughing. It's laughing as a cardiovascular workout.

6:07 Cathy Nesbitt

It's, uh, or exercise. When we're laughing, we're secreting all of the happy hormones — dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin, and endorphins — versus cortisol, adrenaline, epinephrine, the stress chemicals. When we're laughing, when we're in joy, we're not in stress. We're not in both at the same time. And I think it helps us deal with whatever it is we have going on.

6:32 Cathy Nesbitt

And I was introduced to laughter yoga 10 years into my worm business. I was selling worms by the pound for indoor composting. I'm located in Canada, just north of Toronto. And in 2002, our landfill closed. It filled up, and we started to export our garbage to the US. I had a solution. It kind of made me sick that we were so irresponsible with our waste.

7:00 Brad Miller

And that's what we do with our garbage every week — we put it at the curb, the magic truck comes along and takes it away. It's not our problem anymore. So it sounds like you're trying to deal with situations in life in kind of an organic way, rather than some sort of external means.

7:31 Brad Miller

I know you said in one of our conversations that laughter yoga changed everything for you personally. Tell me more about that. Is that true? And if so, how?

7:39 Cathy Nesbitt

It really did. Oh my gosh. I've become more resilient. I don't take things so personally.

7:50 Cathy Nesbitt

So 10 years into my worm mission, I had heard "Ew, worms in the house" hundreds of times. I was not listening. I was like, la, la, la — no, you need this. People don't buy what they need. They buy what they want, and they didn't want it. I thought it was so important that we look after the soil, that we be responsible citizens of this beautiful planet.

8:17 Cathy Nesbitt

Um, so when people were saying "Ew," before I was introduced to laughter yoga, I think I took it personally. Like, something about me was offensive. And then laughter yoga made me realize, oh, they're just not ready. This is not my stuff. It's theirs. They're not ready for what I'm offering. That's okay.

8:36 Cathy Nesbitt

And it also improved my relationship with myself and with my husband. Um, I say he was hesitant for about 10 years.

8:43 Brad Miller

I love that phrase. Laughter hesitant. That's a new one on me, Cathy Nesbitt. I like it.

8:57 Cathy Nesbitt

You know, before 2020, I was doing Skype laughter, and it was for laughter professionals. Not video, just audio. It was 20 minutes every morning. When I was doing my Skype laughter, I would be doing emails and just laughing. So it was laughter professionals just practicing their craft. And my husband would leave the room, and I was thinking, why is he leaving?

9:20 Brad Miller

: Like laughter's the best medicine? What — he just can't say and laugh?

9:25 Cathy Nesbitt

He's kind of got a different story about what happened. But in 2022, I had a training coming up. We were walking in the forest, and I said, I have a training next week, and I only have one student.

9:40 Cathy Nesbitt

They're paid, so I guess we're going ahead. And he said, " Maybe I'll take the training. So there was never any talk of that.

9:46 Brad Miller

Wow. So you were surprised by that.

9:48 Cathy Nesbitt

I was shocked. He took the training with this other person, and it was great. So that was 2022.

10:01 Cathy Nesbitt

I have an online laughter club on Tuesday mornings — five and a half years — and now he co-leads with me.

10:06 Brad Miller

Awesome. So the laughter has helped him as well.

10:11 Cathy Nesbitt

Um, he's a creative, um, he's an introvert, creative. So the laughter has allowed him to shine, to come out.

10:24 Cathy Nesbitt

You know, when on Tuesday mornings when we first started, he would — I would say, Hey, it's Tuesday. Can I call on you to lead part of the club? And he'd say, no, I don't have anything. I'm not ready. Every teacher is different. I don't need to plan. I'm just like divinely guided.

10:45 Brad Miller

Interesting, Cathy Nesbitt. You mentioned this club and what we focus on here — cancer and company — is helping people to cope using means of coping, you know, actual tactics and processes to help them to cope.

11:05 Brad Miller

But you actually have a club online that laughs. Is that right? Is that what you do?

11:10 Cathy Nesbitt

We do. And so —

11:11 Brad Miller

Unpack that for me. What happens at Laughter Club with Cathy Nesbitt?

11:16 Cathy Nesbitt

Yeah, so as a laughter yoga teacher, I incorporate many different modalities.

11:26 Cathy Nesbitt

Again, just to help people. I incorporate tapping and brain gym, Chi Gong. So we start with some gentle warmups. It's been five and a half years since I've had my club, so I get 25 to 30 little Zoom squares, and my wheelhouse is special needs and seniors. And you can imagine, a lot of people are dealing with many different ailments.

11:49 Cathy Nesbitt

Ailments, depression, um, cancer diagnoses — all different things, right? Everybody's struggling today. So my club is a really wonderful, safe place where people can come and just be joyful for that moment, for that half hour — just come and play.

12:19 Brad Miller

Your lesson for the day to laugh — is that right?

12:21 Cathy Nesbitt

Yes. And it's free.

12:23 Brad Miller

Oh, okay. So it's free — people can come and go as they please.

12:29 Cathy Nesbitt

I do have a following, but it's not the same 25 or 30 people every week.

12:41 Brad Miller

It's wonderful.

12:42 Cathy Nesbitt

It's their new addiction.

12:44 Brad Miller

Well, if you're going to have an addiction, you might as well have one to laugh. And you've talked about this being one of the ways that you help people move out of stress into joy.

12:59 Brad Miller

So tell me about that. How have you seen that manifest itself in your club?

13:03 Cathy Nesbitt

Yeah. So we start with some gentle warmups, some gentle movements, some clapping, some laughing, some deep breathing. The yoga part of laughter yoga is the practice of laughter and deep diaphragmatic breathing.

13:19 Cathy Nesbitt

And then I incorporate these other modalities. The tapping. So we tap on four spots — the stomach meridian, which is here, the kidney, the thymus, and the spleen. And the thymus is very important because when we're experiencing cancer — well, everybody — our thymus starts to shrink as we age.

13:35 Brad Miller

And just for our listening audience, thymus — you're basically tapping your chest area. Is that right?

13:41 Cathy Nesbitt

Correct. Right in the center of your chest, right on your sternum. And the thymus is important for cancer folks, for everybody, but for folks with cancer, that's where the T cells go to mature. The T cells are the cancer-fighting agents. So if we're tapping on our thymus — I'm tapping on my chest right now.

14:04 Cathy Nesbitt

That stimulates our thymus and helps those T cells to get activated, and they will go out and fight off that cancer, hopefully. And when we're under stress, blood, lymph, and oxygen leave our frontal lobe and go into our muscles so we can escape — even if we're escaping from our mind.

14:32 Cathy Nesbitt

So when we're laughing, we don't have to think. We're laughing — ha ha ha — we're exhaling. So to keep on ha-ha-ing, we have to take a beautiful inhale so we can continue laughing. Oxygen cannot survive in — cancer cannot survive in an oxygen-rich body.

14:55 Cathy Nesbitt

It's scientifically proven. Wow.

14:57 Brad Miller

Okay. Dr. Ot? Yeah, uh, Dr. Otto Warburg won a Nobel Prize for his work with oxygen in the body and his cancer research. Wow. Awesome. I know you even mentioned you worked with a woman dealing with ovarian cancer and how she's had some good results from this.

15:21 Cathy Nesbitt

Yes, we laugh together every day, which, you know, when you're struggling with anything — cancer, any kind of ailment, depression, anything, even some kind of trauma — it's really hard to feel joy. You're thinking about your ailment. You're ruminating about these things. So every day she calls me, and we laugh.

15:46 Brad Miller

Oh, in her case, she's not only a part of the club — you have an ongoing relationship with her.

15:51 Cathy Nesbitt

That's correct. Yes. We connect every day by phone, and we laugh. So I answer the phone when she calls, and I don't say hello. I just started laughing.

15:59 Brad Miller

You just have your own language, as it were.

16:01 Cathy Nesbitt

You kind of have your laugh language.

16:06 Brad Miller

I love that. One of the things we talked about before, Cathy Nesbitt — we've talked about the physical, physiological aspects of laughter, oxygen, and so on. One of the things you mentioned to me was the acronym DOSE. Could you unpack that for our audience?

16:30 Cathy Nesbitt

Yes, right. Laughter's the best medicine. And I say, have you had your daily dose? Right? So dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin, and endorphins — these are the love drugs that work out to DOSE. Those are the happy hormones, the love drugs, and we are in charge of our own pharma, Brad Miller.

16:53 Cathy Nesbitt

It's so wonderful that we can excrete these wonderful, happy hormones versus cortisol, adrenaline, epinephrine — at will. Whenever we start smiling, we start secreting happy hormones, and then we add a giggle — ha ha ha — yeah, we're secreting more.

17:08 Brad Miller

I wonder if I'm going to wear out my dispenser.

17:10 Cathy Nesbitt

Oh, well, there you go.

17:15 Brad Miller

I don't think that's going to happen because, as opposed to something external as we get out of a pharmacy bottle, you're getting something from an internal place — and that's great. I love that. You told a story in one of our earlier conversations about a young man in a wheelchair who came to your events and eventually became a leader in your group.

17:45 Brad Miller

: Tell me a little bit about that transition with that young man.

17:48 Cathy Nesbitt

He was coming to my club. Adam is his name. He was coming to the club for about six months, and last October, October of 2024, I was having a training online, and I would promote it in my club, and Adam sent me a note and said, I want to take the training.

18:05 Cathy Nesbitt

And you know, when I, I don't really know the people in my club — they just come and I'm the one talking. We're just laughing and playing, and then they zoom out. I knew he was in a wheelchair. That's what I knew. So I said okay, I said yes — because I love challenges.

18:22 Cathy Nesbitt

I didn't know what I was going to do, and Adam has taught me so much. He is an advocate for disabilities, for accessibility. He'll go to the town council whenever they have environmental issues or accessibility issues and speaks on behalf of the community. He's the one who goes to the transit union and talks about how to treat people in wheelchairs, how to help them get on the bus, and take the subway.

18:57 Cathy Nesbitt

: How to approach people. I've learned so much from him. It takes time for him to formulate his thoughts, and he's a deliberate speaker, so it takes time for him to say what he needs to say. Space is required. And his name is Adam, and I do have a goal of training folks with special needs to be laughter yoga leaders.

19:25 Cathy Nesbitt

So after Adam's training — it's a two-day training — I was thinking about the training and how it went, and I was just kind of ruminating, how am I going to do this goal that I have? And I burst out laughing, and I was like, God literally sent me Adam.

19:47 Brad Miller

There you go. Yeah.

19:49 Cathy Nesbitt

And so he lives in a facility — he lives independently. When the PanAm games were in Toronto, they built a Paralympic facility, so there's a whole neighborhood that's accessible. And my husband and I went and visited Adam, and it's wonderful.

20:13 Cathy Nesbitt

They have strips on the door, like not just the button to open it.

20:26 Cathy Nesbitt

Adam took us for a little tour around the neighborhood. So whenever they have PanAm games or Olympics, they build structures — artwork. So they had built this beautiful water structure, and Adam said, " That's a fountain. I can't go through there because he's got an electric wheelchair.

20:46 Cathy Nesbitt

And I was like, who did that? Wow. He was kind of pointing out the flaws in the neighborhood. Like, it's so beautiful. The stores were all accessible with the ramp. Everything was great. But then you come to the lights, and there's the button.

21:07 Cathy Nesbitt

So he said, his hands are not functional, so he said, I come to the light, I have to wait till the light changes. Unlike in the building, they have this strip — why couldn't they have this strip outside too?

21:23 Brad Miller

So it sounds like you've learned a lot from him — not only about his changes, but about infrastructure and advocacy and all kinds of other things as well. It also teaches us that everybody's got something to contribute, even if societal norms might say something different.

21:41 Brad Miller

So you're a very observant person. And I know you've mentioned that you really want to live to be 111 years old. And I too —

22:02 Brad Miller

Not only to live a long life, but to be vibrant and contributing to society and laughing the whole way. And I kind of have a similar goal. When I was diagnosed with cancer myself, I said I wanted to live 20 plus years to see my very small granddaughters grow up, graduate, and get married or whatever, 20 years down the road.

22:23 Brad Miller

So I'm interested — where does the number 111 come from, and how does a big, audacious goal like that help you live with hope?

22:31 Cathy Nesbitt

Well, 111 — lots of people are living to a hundred.

22:35 Brad Miller

You want to go big.

22:36 Cathy Nesbitt

Go big. Yeah, go big. And 111 is one, one, one. It's kind of a nice number. And what that does is give me hope that I can get there. If you don't set the goal, how do you get there?

23:01 Cathy Nesbitt

How do you know if you've achieved it? And for me to get to 111, be vibrant, living independently, and still leading laughter, I need to be super vibrant and healthy and well and take care of myself now. People often feel like they can eat what they want and do what they want.

23:21 Cathy Nesbitt

Especially young folks — you think you're infallible as a young person. And so my goal is to really take care of myself now. Have the good thoughts, do the good things for my body and for community, for society, so that I can get there and still be active.

23:42 Brad Miller

Well, that's awesome. And I love the big, audacious goal type of thing. It gives you hope. Hope is just about envisioning a preferred future, and that's what you're talking about here.

23:55 Brad Miller

: Want to go back to the Chuckle Club or your laughter club for just a second, because what do you think keeps the long-term people coming back? What do they tell you?

24:01 Cathy Nesbitt

I'm a philomath, Brad Miller, which means a lifelong learner.

24:18 Cathy Nesbitt

So I'm always learning, and I think one of my gifts is that I attend a lot of online summits. I learn something new every single day — not just some trivial thing. I really want to learn, and my gift is learning these things and being able to present them in a way that people can understand.

24:38 Cathy Nesbitt

They don't need to attend the five-day summit. Here's the Coles notes, here's what you need. So I'm always bringing new material to my laughter club, and I offer those in a way that people can incorporate them into their daily lives. I want to be obsolete. I don't want to have to lead Laughter Club anymore.

24:58 Brad Miller

Well, that's an awesome learn-and-return type of attitude. What we learn, it's one thing if we keep it to ourselves — that's selfish. If we share it with others, then it's part of a selfless lifestyle. That's part of what keeps us going.

25:15 Brad Miller

I also want to go back to the worm thing, Cathy Nesbitt. I know that was part of your business as an entrepreneur for a while, but I want to kind of go a little deeper on the worm thing philosophically. Worms are creatures that kind of transform decay and waste into good stuff, into soil.

25:40 Brad Miller

You spend time working with worms and the ecological aspect, I get it. But it seems to me worms are creatures that kind of transform decay and waste into good stuff. So how do you think that relates to what you do — helping people transform whatever crud in their life might be happening, pain, adversity, distress — into laughter? Do you see any parallels there?

26:23 Cathy Nesbitt

Absolutely. Yes. Worms are the original alchemists, first of all. They take garbage and trash and turn it into black gold so we can grow more nutrient-rich food. There is a parallel. You know, before 2020, I thought I was a juggler — like, what do you need? I have it. I thought these things were all separate.

26:41 Cathy Nesbitt

And then I realized, oh my gosh. All of my offerings are a way for a simple, sustainable, beautiful life. And so what I do with the laughter is transmute people's pain, people's discomfort into joy — rather than ruminating down here with your depression or your pain.

27:07 Cathy Nesbitt

We help to transmute that through laughter and through the energy modalities into something lighter. Laughter is simply an energy, as are depression, frustration, and anxiety. It's just a frequency. So if we can laugh and feel good, and what I didn't say was that laughter is not about jokes or comedy.

27:31 Cathy Nesbitt

It's just laughing. The body doesn't know the difference between real and simulated laughter.

27:35 Brad Miller

Hmm.

27:36 Cathy Nesbitt

Oh, the brain does. The ego does for sure. If you're laughing and your brain's like, what is happening here? I don't know why you're laughing; you look ridiculous. Stop it.

27:48 Brad Miller

Mm-hmm. You're in your head.

27:50 Cathy Nesbitt

I invite people to get out of their heads. And for people who come for the first time and they've never experienced laughter yoga, a good laughter yoga teacher will say, allow yourself permission to play.

28:00 Brad Miller

: Very good. That's awesome for you to share that. And so let's kind of bring it around. Let's just say somebody wants to learn more about you, about what you offer, and what happens at the Laughter Club. Tell people how they can find you and what kinds of things they might find that you offer.

28:31 Cathy Nesbitt

Yeah, so my website is Cathy Nesbitt's club.com — Cathy Nesbitt with a C. You can sign up for my free Laughter Club. It's every Tuesday, 9:30 AM Eastern, 30 minutes of super fun self-care — tapping, brain gym, Chi Gong. Just come and play. It's so fun to connect with other people. And I also have a video series called Fun Fab Fridays.

28:54 Cathy Nesbitt

I think this Friday will be like episode 247. That's a lot of Fridays — over four years, almost five years of Fridays. Those are just shorts for fun, just to help people get out of themselves for a few minutes. And I'm also a laughter yoga teacher, so I teach leaders.

29:16 Cathy Nesbitt

It's a two-day training online or in person — I do both. People might want to take the training not to lead Laughter Club, but just to learn the history of laughter and why it is done, and what the benefits are. It's scientifically proven. Several opportunities there.

29:37 Brad Miller

Well, one more thing, then I'll let you get on with your day. Let's just say someone is listening to our podcast today and they're having a little bit of a tough time. Maybe they've got a bad diagnosis, maybe they've had some other bad thing in their life — relationship-wise, losing a job, situation in politics, what have you — and they want to start doing something practical. What's one word of encouragement or coping methodology you might bring to a person that they could apply, maybe even today?

30:20 Cathy Nesbitt

Well, I have a couple of things. I would say ask for help, first of all. Because unless we ask, people don't know. People do want to help us, but they don't know what we need. Like if you need someone to help you cook some meals, or clean, or do some shopping for you.

30:39 Cathy Nesbitt

: If you're unable to do that, ask for help. And the second one is — without awareness, action is impossible. So take action for yourself. Take action to feel better, reach out to people. And if you're really struggling mentally, if you're able to go online, there are laughter clubs around the world.

31:07 Cathy Nesbitt

This is a global movement. It's the 31st anniversary of Laughter Yoga, and there are clubs in over 20 countries. I would say, do your best not to stay in the stress stew, where we're in this perpetual state of stress, and we've normalized stress. And I really want us to normalize joy, because it is our birthright.

31:33 Cathy Nesbitt

Yes. Even when we're struggling, there are things we can find. So here are five things — I said there were two, but five things. We can smile. As soon as we smile, we start secreting the love drugs, which makes us feel better. Just by smiling, add a little giggle — feel a little better.

31:53 Cathy Nesbitt

Start singing. It might seem counterintuitive. Put on your favorite song and start dancing around, singing and dancing. And the final piece is gratitude. Gratitude begets more gratitude. What have I got to be grateful for? Maybe you have a house, or a comfy bed, or someone brought you a cup of tea.

32:15 Cathy Nesbitt

: Whatever it is, start small. And those things of gratitude — start a gratitude journal, or just say out loud what you're grateful for — because that really does help us to feel better.

32:27 Brad Miller

I love what you shared — some really practical things to do. We talk about coping, we'd like to talk about being a coping organism, not just coping mechanisms — how we can kind of integrate that into who we are.

32:42 Brad Miller

I love that. So get out of your stress stew and get onto joyful living. And one of the places you can do that is at Cathy Nesbitt's club.com. Her name is Cathy Nesbitt Nesbitt, a health and wellness advocate and a laughter yoga teacher. She's been our guest here today on Cancer and Comedy. Thank you for being our guest, Cathy Nesbitt.

33:01 Cathy Nesbitt

Thank you, Brad Miller. I appreciate it. Thank you.

33:05 Brad Miller

: Alright, Cathy Nesbitt, awesome. Good job. Appreciate you being helpful.

33:09 Cathy Nesbitt

Thank you so much for the opportunity. I really, really appreciate it. I just really want people to feel good.

33:16 Brad Miller

Absolutely. Well, love that mission. So we'll have this out in about three weeks. We'll shoot you an email when it goes out — just share it in your world.

33:24 Cathy Nesbitt

I will do that. I absolutely will.

33:26 Brad Miller

: Alright, thank you so much. Blessings on you, and we'll see you soon.

33:29 Cathy Nesbitt

Okay. Take care. Bye now.

33:31 Brad Miller

Bye.