Recovery Activist: Love, Gratitude, and Lessons from Cancer with Dr. Achim Zinggrebe. Author of "Rise and Thrive Above Cancer

Dr. Achim Zinggrebe is Dr. Brad Miller’s guest on Episode 102 of “Cancer and Comedy.”

Dr. Achim Zinggrebe is a medical doctor, author, and coach who helps people navigate the cancer journey by integrating mind, body, spirit, and energy into healing. His work empowers patients not only to endure treatment but to reclaim their identity, strength, and joy through gratitude, breathwork, mindset shifts, and spiritual practices.

In this episode, Dr. Achim shares how his own cancer diagnosis became a turning point. For years, he ignored his health while focusing on others—family, career, and patients—until the disease forced him to face his own neglect. He describes the moment of chaos between diagnosis and treatment, where fear, regret, and “doctor Google” threatened to spiral him into despair. Yet, he chose a different path—transforming fear into resilience through simple, powerful steps like conscious breathing and gratitude.

He explains how cancer, though a bitter diagnosis, ultimately became a gift that reconnected him to his true self, renewed his relationships, and deepened his spiritual outlook. From working with his own father through illness to coaching others, Dr. Achim shows that healing is never just about the body, but about love, energy, and living aligned with one’s values.

His book, Rise and Thrive Above Cancer: Your Path to Finding Courage, Confidence, and Healing Power, along with its companion journal, provides practical tools and reflective exercises to help readers shift from fear to possibility. His coaching work extends these tools, guiding patients to rediscover their strength and reclaim the driver’s seat in their lives.

Dr. Achim Zinggrebe’s story is a testament of resilience, courage, and faith—showing that even in adversity, one can find sweetness, energy, and a renewed purpose.

Episode 102 of Cancer and Comedy is a must-listen for anyone facing cancer, illness, or personal crisis who seeks inspiration, hope, and a practical framework to rise above and live fully.

Website: azinggrebemd.com

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Dr. Brad Miller 0:00

And just to first understand your cancer was a pretty serious diagnosis. Was it not that you had a very stark situation?

Dr. Achim Zinggrebe 0:07

Yes, I it was my own fault that it was such a hard diagnosis in the end, because I let it grow for several years inside me, because I just felt I'm not important enough to focus on me, to focus on my family, and to focus on my company, on all other things, but I think always came last

Dr. Brad Miller 0:29

and so and so. Unfortunately, I hear this type of story more often than you might think, where the doctor, the medical professional, has been busy serving others in some form or another, and they let their own health, kind of, you know, go to the back seat. And so you've got this reminder here, in fact, you've said something interesting in one of our prior conversations that you decided out of this experience and helped me understand a little bit that you were no longer going to kind of remain doing whispers in a dark room. You wanted to do something about, you know, get the word out there and that the medical system, you know, something like everything you learned in medical school, you just kind of had to throw away and lean into something different here. So go with me there a little bit about this, going from whispers in dark rooms to writing a book and some other things of this nature. Tell me about that.

Dr. Achim Zinggrebe 1:22

Okay. Now, it all came in small steps. So one of the biggest lessons I've learned on my own path is that healing is never just about the body. It's about mindset, gratitude and your inner attitude. After all, the moment you start working with these parts of yourself, your whole experience of illness and recovery will change, of course, also when I was diagnosed, I was overwhelmed, and I thought, I need some big solution, advanced therapies, complex strategies, something extraordinary, but I discovered is that it doesn't have to start big, and the most powerful shifts often come from very small and even simple steps we have just forgotten. And probably let me just give you one example, yes, just one conscious breath, not 10 minutes, not an app, not a perfect meditation posture, one breath where you pause, inhale deeply for five seconds and remind your nervous system, I am safe right here, right now. And that alone changes something in your body. You lower your stress hormones, it's proven, and you bring your mind back into the present moment if you open to a bit more trial, one minute breathing exercise, set a timer, one minute of breathing in. That's how I started holding gently breathing out. It's nothing fancy, but after 60 seconds, you will feel different, I promise. And when you repeat that daily, you begin to build resilience. And isn't it just a small step?

Dr. Brad Miller 3:07

Yes, indeed, but I was interested. You spend a fair amount of time talking about breathing. In your book, you have a chapter basically devoted to this, and you talk about this, what you just mentioned here about helping draw yourself into the moment breathe, and you have a number of exercises, and I just think it's really incredible, and meditation exercises and things of this nature, but breathing particularly is important part of what you have shared in your book and what you're sharing with us now. But that indicates to me that you see an issue about people being kind of outside the moment or distracted or whatever's going on in their life, tell me a little bit that, what were some of the distractions? What are some of the things happening your life that you needed to learn, the practice of meditation or breathing that helped you and then you're able to help others? Are the were there distractions you're in your life?

Dr. Achim Zinggrebe 3:57

Yeah, and that the biggest distraction are our thoughts, and it took me so long to realize that I am not my thoughts. And so that's such a such a basic insight, that you can listen to your own thoughts, and you can actively decide against believing your thoughts. You know I was getting up and thinking about, will a doctor call today when a cold? I already thought, well, will I feel? How bad will I feel during treatment in the afternoon? I already thought about, can I eat something at night? Or will I vomit? Or what will be the issue I was always either I was in the future, having a focus on fear that might might be true or not. In most cases they weren't, or I was in the past, which, of course, cannot be changed anyway. I should have done this. I shouldn't have done that so, but I was, I was back there all in front of me, but never where I actually was. Yes, and I lost so many precious moments by that, because there are so many precious moments. There's so many things that typically, and I know it's not only my experience, but also many people that I that I coach, so far, that they say, Well, you know, I didn't I took so many things for granted, but it isn't nothing. Is granted, nothing at all. I love the value of these small things, because they are basically everything.

Dr. Brad Miller 5:33

I love what you're sharing there, because I just think it's something that goes in the mind of people. I call it and the some of the writing I've been doing, I call this the insanity moment, you know, when you get a diagnosis or things that your your mind goes all kinds of places you cannot focus or and there, I think there's a, you know, there's the moment of chaos of diagnosis. And I do have a section in your book here about between the diagnosis and the treatment. I want to get into that just a second here. But just to focus what you're talking about here, the distraction is all that would have, could have, should have, kind of thing in the past, and what, what might be, why I could lose out on, or what it would be, you know, in my particular case, you know, I thought about, well, what I what I didn't do, or what it didn't do about, you know, diet, exercise, medications, any number of things in my life and lifestyle. And then looking at so I did, I did the beat myself up about that. Then I also look forward that I had my two i At the time I diagnosed this, I had two very young granddaughters who are just very young. And I thought, Oh, I'm never going to see them grow up. And things of that nature. We our mind, can do all kinds of things play with us here in that kind of moment, and that's not necessarily helping, but used to choose this exercise to help make a pivot here. So I'd like for you to help me, help myself and our listeners, we like to call them lifter uppers, who try to lift up each other to understand this dynamic of the insanity between the diagnosis and the treatment, whatever you choose to do, and maybe using some of these, you know, these methodologies, unconventional things to some people, but the things that you've learned here on your pathway, take it, take us a journey between diagnosis and treatment.

Dr. Achim Zinggrebe 7:15

Yeah, this, this was just as hard as for anyone else. In some cases, probably even a little bit harder, because, of course, I knew all the potential adverse effects, and I had booked, of course, every single one of them in my mind already. I already knew that it won't work. I already knew that I would die, that I would suffer everything. And we are so specialists and experts in always believing in the worst potential outcome. Yes, this is, this is so fantastic, and it took me so long to realize, wait a minute, I could also visualize about something more beneficial to myself. You just need to begin to allow yourself to move into that direction. And of course, at least from my end, I also grew up with some not very healthy core beliefs, and there were some challenges in the past that I grew up with. And overall, yeah, you were you. I was trained for decades in rather expecting bad outcomes. And of course, it needs a lot of training. It's like, like a muscle that you have never used before. You need to start with very easy lifting to train this. And like I, like I said, breathing is a very good was a very good start for me, and this for many others too, because I also thought meditating off, I cannot the solutions out there. I can't What, what help will it be if I sit there silently, I it's not, will be no help?

Dr. Brad Miller 8:53

Yeah, I've heard you share a couple things here, I think are significant that so many people get caught up in from my perspective, some people I know call it, call it consulting doctor Google. You know where you get on Google, or things like that, and you can see all the bad things can happen. Or you see a television commercial that says, here's what this medication is going to do for you, but here's the disclaimers that you're going to die of these other 18 things. And so that can send you in a spiral, a doom spiral that is simply not healthy. And so the idea then there, and I think you mentioned something here that I really want to touch on with you here, is you have to change your core beliefs. You had some things you said from your past growing up that were kind of foundational and kind of ingrained in you. And I think your medical training may have been a piece of that as well. So how do we if the core beliefs have been kind of in this doom scroll thing type of thing, and you'd now talk about meditation and breathing, among other things, what are some things that we can do to start having a core belief that's the foundation of all this that can be transformative? Situated? Have a little bit hope and a little bit of a positivity towards it, towards an aspiration that I'm not going to die here. I can live a have a good life.

Well, I would say core beliefs is, is one tool in it, in your toolbox, like conventional medicine, like affirmations, like breath work, like probably yoga or cranial sacral therapy or whatever you feel comfortable with. It's one piece of the puzzle, one week, one one piece of your path, but really an important one at the same time, it's as important as realizing what the real values of your life are. So these are the two very important starting points and we focus on core beliefs. They are a challenge, because, in my experience, the core beliefs that keep you the smallest are the ones that are just unconsciously ingrained then that you don't think about them, you feel them. So it takes some work to get there, to uncover them, to dig them up, and then to transform them. In the end, this is, this is hard work, really, yes, but, but it helps. It helps tremendously, every single person,

yes, I think what you're sharing there is, it's so important that whatever we do, and we all have adversities in life and disease, cancer is one of them. You can also have whatever, mental health, depression, divorce, financial issues, any number of things that can have to be adversities. But you got to choose then to dig into it. To I think you use a phrase, phrase that I think is important in your writing, to break free from depression. And to me, that indicates the breaking free means you got to do some action. You can't. It's not, you know, depression is just gonna, if you don't do anything, something about it, it's just going to keep going down. Breaking free of depression. Speak to that, a little bit of what you talk about in your book. And book and and what role if any did a change, you know, we talk about having a positive mindset here in cancer and comedy, what role if any did humor or anything light heartedness play in breaking free of depression?

Of course, at the beginning I or during the first few months until therapy started, and also during the many chemo cycles and antibody cycles and so on, the humorous situations were rather limited, yes, and up to that point, I never really knew what depression really means. And at the time of being a doctor myself in hospital, I sometimes thought about shame on me, about depressed patients. Oh, come on,

it can't Yeah, just get over it. Get over it, that kind of thing, right? Yeah?

So of course, it just was very poor from my side, being in these shoes, yeah, it was not fun. And there are so many things no one ever knows apart. You know outside, even our own teams, our own families, we never share, but just we know how we feel inside. Yeah. And again, it was, it was just the small steps, and with all the work that I I've done, like breathing with and started with breathing, as I said, and joined by many other tools, I just learned to stay more in the present. And you know, one thing is probably really interesting when you when you had asked me for, for my diagnosis, just 20 seconds, tell me 10 things you're grateful for. Hmm, okay, don't know. Now, of course, it's no problem to try one,

but the time when you're in the middle of it, what you'll you know, I'm not what am I grateful? Is a hard question, isn't it?

Yes, and at the same time, I learned that it isn't so hard if you just be more aware of the small things. I'm grateful that I could stand up this morning. I'm grateful to see my family. I'm grateful for so many things. I'm grateful I can walk. I'm grateful for the nice doctors. I'm grateful for the nurses. I'm grateful that there is a treatment at all. I'm grateful for the things that I'm learning, for the people that are in my team, for the people that I can help, for the weather, for my dog, for allowing myself to go outside. There's so many things that I all of them were, of course, for granted in the past,

taken for granted, yes indeed. And so you've kind of had to go this hard road yourself based on your background and your your reality of being a doctor and knowing enough to be cut. Dangerous to yourself, I guess, in the sense of that kind of thing. And yet, you've traveled this pathway, and you've, as you've mentioned, these, these tools in your toolbox, and this type of thing. And so you one of the things you call yourself a game is you call yourself a shortcut for others to navigate all of this. So let's just go back a little bit. Let's just say that you and I are having some conversation with someone who's in that early stages. They've got a bad diagnosis of cancer or some other bad thing in their life, and they're kind of in that insane stage, or that situation we've been talking about here. What would you say to this newly diagnosed person some common mistake or misconception that might help them be a little bit of a shortcut to get onto into the toolbox. For instance, what can you be helpful to that person about

in many cases, it starts with even before the call. Is it because men, often or often, I have to pick them up at an earlier or more, let's say more superficial level. Women are more open to meditation, to breath work. Are not that skeptical, yes, and they're more courageous. Also, to be honest, in many cases, Indeed, indeed. Yes, after all, it's just going in and I start the call. I feel with my heart where the person is. They start telling me, and sooner or later, within the first few minutes, we just get to a point where this person has the opportunity to take a step back and to just relax for a moment. And this also comes many, in many cases, just subconsciously, because they can tell me all the things, and they know that I am understanding them, on the patient side, on the family side and on the professional side, yes, and then we just take it from there. So it's a very, very flexible approach. And as high as I have been through all the stages, we just pick what, what might be most beneficial for them at the very moment,

I think something you I'm sorry. Go ahead. Finish your thought there.

Well, one thing that I trust that I mentioned in my book for, for a good reason, are the questions to ask doctors,

yes, practical things, yes, yeah, yeah. This is

something that that really helps a lot of people at the beginning, because we all have the same thoughts, where, what should I do? What treatment is now good for me, and these questions really help.

Yeah, that's awesome. That's very helpful practical advice. And I think part of what is helpful for us to understand here and get a handle on your story, how it applies to the story of all of our listeners, is you actually say that cancer changed your life for the better, and yet you address this thing about you also call the bitter diagnosis. So I'd like to help us to understand how the application of your experience of these two things in a way they seem not exactly at odds. But they certainly are something that you have discussed, the bitter diagnosis, or the bitterness is, and the opposite of bitterness would be sweetness. And so the opposite, of course, of the of the cancer, of being for the better would be for the worse. So it seems to me that you have been able to transform or transpose, as it were, these feelings that people have, the bitter to the sweet and the bad, you know, the tragic to the to the better. And so that's part of what you're about here. So tell me go into some of the processes you talk about in your book, and you've already touched on a couple of them about how people can do this. Change the bitter to the sweet, for instance, send the Doom to the possibilities here.

Well, that's a tough one, because every single situation at the time point of diagnosis is different. I just can speak for myself here, right? And I can say cancer saved my life because, not because I have now a guarantee for being cancer free for the next 50 years or 150 years, but it should finally brought me back to my life who I really want to be, and I believe that every single day you you are granted to live according to your own values and in in direction of what you what you're really striving for, is worthwhile working towards it. And it's not, it's it's not about how many years, but how much of your own life is in the years that you that you are granted. So. And this, this was major realization for me, and also with all the things that I've learned about myself and how I basically transformed my mind and my soul, one of the biggest presents I got from from childhood friends who sometimes said, ahrim, now you are like you were before. And that's, that's, that's what I never counted for. But what's really great.

So the implication there is that you were like you were before. That says, also, if I'm reading it correctly, here, a game that you had, that they didn't feel like you always were your true self in certain, certain stages of your life. Is that a fair reading of what you just shared there?

Yeah, I think with the beginning of the 20s, I stepped away more and more from, from, from my own life. Yeah, I want more. Somebody else was everyone seemed to look in one direction. Had a clear road ahead. Had a reason to go there and from, from each everything felt strange with 30 I thought, Well, okay, that's it. Life's over. Basically nothing more you can you can ask for. It's not a great life, but obviously this is everything that you deserve in this life. Hello, core beliefs.

There you go. There you go. You gotta have down

and down and down. No, yeah. You mentioned something,

I think is so important. You mentioned how your friends noticed your life. They noticed you from your, you know, early life, and they've said you kind of regain the sense of who you really are. So that's your friends there. And it touches on this area that I have a belief in. I sometimes call it the cancer clock. That is when the, in my case, the doc said, If you don't do something about your cancer, you got two or three years left. And so they gets the clock ticking, you know, you got to think about that in terms of, you know, what am I going to do? Then that's going to fulfill my life? And so that, that's part of what I think goes on with some folks, maybe yourself, maybe maybe not. But I really love this thing that you touched on your friends there. So let's talk about team. Let's talk about people in your life that help you do this. Because on our own, we could do the breathing exercises, we can do the meditation, and I believe you wholeheartedly that's going to be a part of it. But you we got to have people around us too. We got to have something greater than self as well. Tell me about any you write a write about this in your book, about team, about your friends, your family, others in your life, or other things you can take advantage of, support groups or whatever that can come into play here.

Yeah, for me, it was more about about friends and family, I was too afraid in support groups to see progress in specific diseases, and me being a doctor, knowing what this means, and I knew it, or I feared that this will depress me more and more, but I know from others that it helps a lot, and it's fantastic. It's just a sad individual path for everyone. But what also I saw quite often and also with myself, I received surprising reactions from supposedly good friends when telling them what's going on in my life, and I my network of friends got a new structure.

Okay, I'm hearing you say some friends reacted not so good, and some may be good, yeah, my accurate hearing that So, okay,

yeah, absolutely. Some, some just pushed away. They you really, you could read them in their faces that they are not getting along with that, and they don't want to be part of that, and it's okay, just tell me the beginning and not during the journey. And you know, I got surprised in a good way sometimes and sometimes in a bad way, where I thought, well, there is a deep connection, but there wasn't, but that's okay. But now I stronger friendships than ever with certain few certain people, and same holds true for family.

I think you said that, well, you had to restructure your relationships in a way based on your situation. And I think that's a reality that we have to deal with. You know, things change, people change, and everybody's got their own stuff going on as well. They got their own traumas and dramas going on that may or may not be related directly to your cancer situation. What's going on with them? I want to touch on another area here, Akeem, which is you talk a lot about energy in your book and your writing. I love that. You say it's all energy. What do you mean by that? Or maybe you can maybe share an example how energy shifts or changes in this whole process.

Energy, I believe, is everything we are just energy only in the very smallest part. The very smallest element of ourselves. We are material substance. The rest is just the most of the space between atoms is just space. And so we are energy. And conventional medicine is just focusing on, on, on this little piece of the body, and doesn't care, in most cases, about the energy part, about this 99 plus percent. And this is really where our own responsibility comes in, because the system just is not taking over in this respect. And this is also done in very subtle, small things. But you don't need to do it all on your own. Also imagine combinations like like yoga, where so much so many things are included, the posture, the breath, meditational aspects, letting letting our energy flow throughout the body, and it is, you know, there are so many insights out there and so many proven advantages from combining these, or at least three different tools for on your own, and you just add them to your conventional therapy In the end, but the outcome in in clinical studies is way better. So are we doing this on a normal level as a standard?

So it's just a better of finding ways then to complement or enhance our energy as a part of the healing process and and I think so what we're really talking about here is how the human beings are, our totality of our physical self, our energy self, I believe, our emotional self, with others, our spiritual life, things of this of this nature, they're all part of the totality of a holistically human being. And I think you have, are in many ways, uniquely positioned to kind of address this and deal with this, being a medical doctor and someone in the research side of things as well. But you mentioned something about, you know, patients have some we have some say in this whole process. You know, we have that we don't have. You think you say something like, you don't have to give up your soul at the hospital door. And you say something about about not being stigmatized by the whole situation. So what do you think to go within me there a little bit. What do you mean by those type of things you don't you know the soulful thing, the stigma, stigma Association process. What do you want to say about

that? I think we all have experienced this, that we are, in a way, limited to our diagnosis. And I've done it myself too. Yeah, this is stomach cancer in room 13 or something. I said. We don't even have a name anymore, and in conventional therapy, typically it's just about the body, your soul, mind and soul, they are almost irrelevant. If you are focusing only on this aspect of therapy, you're you as a complete human being, are getting smaller and smaller. So it is just relevant to to focus on the other parts, on your on your own, and about being stigmatized. This is also something that goes back to experiences with friends after telling them you are then probably sometimes told stories about uncles that had a similar diagnosis, but they died after six weeks.

See you later, right? Yeah,

probably, but not in seven weeks. So it is a lot about really again, taking responsibility and this, it really helps just to say, Stop. I don't want to have this conversation. If you have something funny to tell me. Do it right? But if not, okay, we just part here today, and I really needed someone to say to me, it is okay to say stop. You don't have to suffer more. You don't have to listen to their stories, because this is their way to deal with the situation.

You have some agency in this. You can make some decisions about what you listen to and what what you consume to be a part of your your own mental health. And I believe, you know, there's the mental health aspect, the spiritual health, and you address that in your book too, about there's, you know, there's spiritual aspects of what's going on here. The soul is what you talk about. I believe here, and I think what's good for the soul is good for for the body. Do you say a word about that? Is that part of what you're going with

here? Yes, I see it all the time. If you are able to develop a certain level of gratitude, if you are really realizing more and more that there are also good moments in life, though, there are good moments. Yeah, your awareness. Shifts. Not only you are more in the moment, but you are focusing more on the moments. Also, you know, for example, if you agree with yourself that you start every day and you end every day with five things, you say to yourself, I'm grateful for and that was what lies today. You will focus all the day on these things. What nice thing happening here that I can be grateful for this evening? Yes, very good. And when you change your awareness, your energy changes, and the outcome will also change.

Yeah. Well, great stuff here, and I love your process here, but let's talk for a minute about how your process is practical impactful. You wrote this book for a reason, and you wrote a complimentary journal to go with it too, which means you want people to apply your principles in their and their life, which I love. Love that here. Tell me about how you're you know, you've talked a lot about how your work has changed you, and so tell a little bit about how maybe what you've been working on here has been impactful or helpful to some other people in your, in your in your life. Can you go there with me for a minute?

Yes. You mean a very concrete example,

please. Yes, yeah. Okay,

yeah. I've already had the privilege to work quite a long side of many people in their cancer journey, but, but of course, no in no case as closely and as intensely as with my own father, Yes, last year and this year. So he's he's 85 years old, and yeah, when he received a diagnosis last year, one of the very first things he said to me was, can I just die in peace now?

Wow, wow. That got your attention to that, my goodness.

And of course, there was a moment where he wanted to give up, and I understood that deeply. But that then we just started working together on and we started to work on every level, physically, mentally, spiritually, energetically, and also in his age, you know? Because some say, well, at that age, you cannot expect anything, and I think that's just BS

indeed began to shift,

and his body language changed, and the way he spoke about himself changed too his thinking and his actions started to align with something new. And after months, he went from saying, I can't do this to I can't do this. One month ago, he said, I did it. Wow.

How cool, and how cool? Is that cool? It's just an awesome moment. So, and I bet it changed the nature of your I've just gone with this for a moment here, and I bet it deepened and changed the nature of your own, your interpersonal relationship with your with your father as well. Did it not just kind of why and at this take that possibility exists for everybody there, if they choose to do this, as you mentioned earlier, came in our conversation, you just kind of do some hard work here. You do or the alternative is to give up. When some people do that, of course, I'm sure, as a doctor, you've seen that people just say, you know, kind of like your doctor, your dad even said that something. Well, why can't I die in peace? Well, some people make that choice, and that's where they go. I've seen that. I'm a retired pastor. I've seen that many times people just give up, and other people, you know, get after it and decide to do something about it. And but I think part of what I want to ask you to kind of close our conversation with this, you're a doctor, and you've dealt with you've choose to do these hard things. But what if there's, if there's people listening to our conversation say, Okay, I'm ready to do these hard things, and you're a doctor, if you're going to write a you know you've said, gratitude, self, love, this process are all important here, but you missed out on, you missed out on some of it in the beginning of your own journey. But let's just say you're going to write a prescription kind of based on your own experience and what you missed out on, but you're going to write a prescription for someone who you who needs some of this here to help them in their journey. Tell us what the prescription be. What are dosage? What are instructions? What are they going to do? What's their prescription?

Doc, I'd love to answer this in one sentence. The prescription would have one sentence, love yourself big little bit more every single day. Awesome. That's the most important thing of

all, absolutely. What a profound place for us to close our conversation. Love yourself a little bit more every day. And one of the ways you can find out more about that is through the book, rise and thrive above cancer with Dr Akeem zengorebi, and I'm probably pronouncing it incorrectly, and I apologize, but Doctor, tell people how they can find out more, how they can get your book, how they can find out more about you. How can they do that?

Well, the books are on Amazon, of course, also in other bookstores. You can get them. You. I have a website. I have an Instagram profile where I'm sharing a lot of inspiration, I hope, inspirational thoughts and reels and other comments. Every single week, at least, I get the feedback that it helps. I have, I have started an online coaching program, also, because basically in the book, I'm offering the tools, and in the coaching, I'm sharing my hand at my heart and guide the way, because I felt during writing the book that this is will just be too much, and at a certain point of time you need support, and this is what I'm offering here, but that's all of the things are coming together for many of by starting with reading too, because you need a certain mindset when you when you start with, I believe in any way of coaching, not it's not about me, It's about general health coaching. You must have the mindset, okay, what I'm getting so far is not enough, yes, and I know I had to change it myself. It's about me. And when you're ready to return to the driver's seat of your life, when I'm here to

Help, very good, awesome. Well put. His name is Dr. Achim Zinggrebe. The book is Rise and Thrive Above Cancer: Your Path to Finding Courage, Confidence and Healing Power. His website is azinggrebemd.com . We’ll put links to all of that at our website, cancerandcomedy.com. Dr. Achim, thank you for being our guest today on Cancer and Comedy.”