Coping With Cancer as a Business Owner: Insights From Cancer and Comedy

Hey there lifter uppers. I'm Deb Krier, the co-host of Cancer and Comedy, where our mission is to heal cancer impacted people through hope and humor, something we like to call turning the grim into a grin. Today on Cancer and Comedy, we're going to be talking about why you might consider having a cancer coach. What is it and why cancer coaching might be right for you or someone in your life. So now here is the host of our Cancer and Comedy podcast, Dr. Brad Miller.

Hey, Deb, always great to be with you and all our lifter uppers here in cancer and comedy, this is the place where we look to offer a community of people who have a like minded set of beliefs, in the sense that even though we may be dealing with cancer or some of their bad things happening in their life, Adversity is could be cancer, basically, can only be the physical disease of cancer, but can be things that kind of eat us alive, divorce or depression or mental health issues or relationship issues. There's a lot of things that we can touch on, but we mainly focus in on cancer here and today, I'm really excited because we're going to be talking to you a little bit later on about the new endeavor that you have, about coaching executives and who are dealing with cancer. So I'm really looking forward to that. And I look forward as we always like, to interact with our community, you know, develop a community. And so we want people to always to reach out to us, if you'd like to find out more about the community we're developing here at cancerandcomedy.com/follow Hey, Deb, got a couple of got a couple of bad dad jokes for you. Ready here?

I'm ready and waiting.

All right, where's this guy in our community, local lake here, who rammed his boat. He ran his boat into the boat of some other fellow who in the boat, who cut him off in front of him. It was a case of road rage.

Cute. You got to stop and think about that one.

Give me just a second there, yeah, just a second. There had a really tragic thing happen in my neighborhood. Here. I had a lawn ornament out my front, my front yard, a little guy, little figurine type, type guy. It got vandalized, and I don't understand it, you know, because this little figurine I had, my little guy, he had no gnome enemies.

Cute, cute, cute. You've been talking to your granddaughters again, haven't you?

Yeah, I have. I'm getting, getting those first grade jokes down, although, although she was, she wouldn't remind me she's going into second grade now. So I got.

Yes, yes, it is summer break. So yeah, there we go, that you got that right. Well, as you know, if you have been a longtime listener to our program, following our conversation, you're going to want to stick around, because, yes, we have another one of Dr Brad's bad jokes of the day. But then, of course, we turn serious with the faith It or Break It segment. Well, as mentioned, we would love for you to be part of our cancer and comedy community, where together we crush cancer with a message of how to cope with hope and humor. Please follow cancer and comedy at cancerandcomedy.com/follow.

Well, Deb, I really am excited about today's episode, because you and I, we and I love to talk to you lots of things, but what we always talk with our guests, and you and I together about ways that people can cope with cancer, and we often talk about therapeutic humor and things of that nature. We know that that just one it's kind of a piece of the puzzle helping people to cope with cancer, and that's what we're really all about. In fact, when we talk about we have our programs here are shows, but we also, both individually and in other settings, help to be a resource to people. I give talks on I know you do talks, and you have other websites and things that you do that to be a resource for people, including developing community. And one of the resources you are developing as a new resource, to be helpful to people who are dealing with cancer is a new coaching endeavor that you are doing, and so it is. You can find her new coaching endeavor at your cancer coach, dot live and let's just get into it. Deb, let's find out what you're up to, what precipitated this opportunity for you. But let's kind of start with this. Just what is cancer coaching, and tell a little more specific about what you're doing with it. Great.

Well, first of all, thank you for the opportunity to talk about this, because it's funny we are sometimes we forget that you and I both have lives outside of this podcast, you know. And so, right, right. So what a cancer coach is someone who has been trained in one form or another to support individuals who have cancer, including patients, survivors and caregivers. They're going to focus on the emotional, practical and physical challenges that arise from a cancer diagnosis. They might offer guidance, and, more importantly, resources about how to navigate all of these complexities of cancer. It's a fairly new area. There's not a lot of cancer coaches. You know, we're always, we're all familiar with a coach, right? And people think, well, I don't need a coach. Well, you know what Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods had coaches. So, you know, it's something to consider as you're dealing with cancer is, you know, kind of what are additional resources that might help you on your journey?

Yeah, well, we've had a, we actually have had a few cancer coaches on our program here, and that's helpful to get familiar with that into and understand a little bit more what you're doing. But let's talk a little bit about this, the specific focus of your cancer coaching you focus on executives and business owners facing cancer, what led you in that direction, and maybe what is kind of unique, or what differentiate, differentiates what you're doing there from maybe what some other coaches are doing. You're dealing with cancer more of a broader spectrum, right?

So it's interesting. When I was taking my training, one of the things that we talked about, and I received my training through the Cancer Wellness Institute, and we talked about the fact that many cancer coaches are what we basically call wounded warriors, right? We've been there. We've done that, you know. And I am a business owner. I, you know, own my business and ran my business long before I ever was diagnosed with cancer. So when I was deciding, hey, you know, I want to expand the support that I provide to people. It kind of made sense that I would work with executives and business owners, because those are my people. I understand the unique challenges that they might be going through as that business owner or as that executive, and so that's why I decided to focus on them.

Well, give me an example. What are those unique challenges might be?

You know, I think probably one of the biggest challenges is, when someone owns a business, or is an executive, you know, in a business, they don't want to talk about this. They certainly don't want to admit that they have cancer, and in many cases, they don't tell anybody, you know, they might fear that they're going to lose clients, that they're going to lose employees, that they will be seen as weak. So they try to struggle on along, you know, this journey all by themselves. And you know that's, that's not necessary. It's, it's okay to reach out and ask for help in in a very confidential way.

And I think business owners, entrepreneurs, business owners also have, depending kind of if they're kind of a corporate situation, or maybe have their own business, may have a you some the unique pressures of, I am an integral part of, I got to keep this thing going, right? All right, make you know you have expenses. You not only have your own life, you may have a payroll to meet all kinds of things like that, and say, I and I heard you say something to this effect. And I believe, I know I've heard the similar things for other people in my life, including myself, from time to time, I don't have time for this, I don't have time to deal with it. So then sometimes business folks are looking for, if I don't have time for this, how can I strategize this or do something that can help to give me the time to manage this? Right? Say, say more about that, maybe, maybe even going back to your own sensibilities about you when you were diagnosed with cancer. I don't have time for this.

Yeah, you know, I definitely, you know, I told my doctor. When she said, Hey, you have cancer, I looked at her and said, I'm sorry. I don't have that. I don't have time. That's not on my schedule. And she, of course, laughed at me, but, and I was joking, but I wasn't joking, right? Because I was thinking, I have a business to run. I have a life. But, you know, and anybody who is told they have cancer is going to think, no, no, I don't have time for this. Because they have their personal lives, they have their professional lives, they've got their families, they've got all of those commitments. But I think it is different when you are a business owner, because, as you said, You've got responsibilities to maybe a lot of other people, to, you know, make sure that, you know, they're getting the product or service that they ordered, that they're getting paid, you know, all of those various things. And I think it really puts them in a very challenging situation to be able to deal with all of that.

And do you think perhaps maybe the those from the outside looking in the public is large, don't have a appreciation or don't realize this kind of the unique pressures maybe business owners might be under that they maybe the part of this is part of this is an interpretation deal as well.

All, you know, I think so. Because I think in many cases, when someone has said, Hey, this is what I'm going through, it's, you know, it people don't run like rats from a deserted or from a sinking ship, right? You know, they're gonna rally around that boss, that owner, and say, What can we do to help but, you know, I think that everybody is afraid that they will be abandoned, and they'll lose their business. They'll lose, you know, whatever it is. And I think in so many cases that, you know, when we're a business owner, that becomes very much our identity. And so then we're very worried that we're going to lose our identity, and so let's just not talk about it, because, you know, we don't want to have to deal with it.

So there's this kind of this personality aspect as well, or psychological aspect, that's a part of what we're dealing with here. That's part of the coping with it, the coaching, helping people to recognize these things and get to deal with some of the things that people deal with in counseling, such as denial and bargaining and all those type of things as well. And you mentioned that you went through some specialized training to open up this coaching business that you have here. Tell me about the specialized training. How was it helpful? What kind of strategies are you looking to apply from your training to what you're doing? Tell us more about that, right?

Well, you know, as I said, I went through the process, through the training program with Cancer Wellness Institute. There are several different programs out there, and they, you know, like any type of coaching program, they range from something that is, you know, you know, fairly minimal commitment, to, actually, some things where maybe it's a you're getting a degree in psychology, and this becomes an under, you know, pinning type of thing that you're doing, so you look for what works for you. And so Cancer Wellness Institute is a 12 week program. I did it all online, but they are now starting to launch some in person type of training programs. But the beautiful woman who founded it is a cancer survivor. Again, she's, you know, as we say, kind of one of those wounded warriors, but she also was very involved in, you know, wanting to help people and wanting to be able to provide maybe it's that missing link between, you know, the physician, because a physician doesn't always, you know, yeah, they might own their own practice, but that's actually fairly rare, and so they don't quite understand maybe the challenges that someone faces when they're in this process. And you know, there's, as far as I know, through the program I went through, I'm the only one that is focusing on executives. But because everybody focuses on something, you know, sometimes people focus on a specific diagnosis, so they might focus on breast cancer or prostate cancer or, you know, things like that, right? But I also decided to expand what I was doing, and so I did some additional certifications. I am a certified coach as a grief coach, because, you know, we don't always think about it, but we are grieving. We're grieving that life that we had. And you know, even if it was a fairly simple type of diagnosis, you know, we're always worried what it was, when's it coming back, you know, things like that. Now, of course, you'll appreciate this. I am a certified happiness coach, yay.

There you go, right, right, because we.

You know, as we know and as we talk about every single program, it's about using humor to cope with all of this and so I bring that in there, but it specifically to work with the, you know, the executives it is about. I did receive additional certifications in time management and, you know, skills that that are specific to executives, because, you know, I want them to deal with and to talk about, you know, how is it that, you know, they're, they're, you know, they're, how are they dealing with cancer from a business perspective, and some of the things that I work with them on are things that are good business skills, sure that maybe they've just never really thought of, or they might need to to, you know, bone up on.

It seems like you've integrated together several different disciplines towards the problem or the need. And it's kind of like a Venge diagram, if you will. You know, you got this intersecting points where business executive, who's, you know, been diagnosed with some form of cancer, or, you know, has that basic reaction you did, or have time for this. Now you got to find time. So that's the time management. How do I run my business with I have to go to treatments and what have you. And, you know, that's the business part of it. You got kind of the psychological aspect and the emotional aspect that has to put the humor kind of thing mind shift. You know, you're man, you're. You're just the full meal deal here, Deb, way to go.

Well, thank you. That was the goal, you know. And from the business perspective, it's things like, you know, business continuity planning, you know, have do they, you know, who signs their checks? Who signs the checks for their business? And more importantly, and because it's probably them or, you know, and if it is only them, they might need to fix that. They might need to have somebody else who can write checks.

So strategic planning.

Any business owner should just be doing, no matter what you know, and talking to them about one of those big things that we all need, probably help with. And that's that word, delegating, right, and empowering. You know, as I mentioned a lot of times, they will find that people are going to step up and say, What can we do to help you? And so you're going to have to delegate. And that's really hard, because it's our baby. Our business is our baby, you know. And so it's hard for us to say, Okay, I'm going to have somebody else do something. And more importantly, you know, we need to trust that they will make those decisions and that you're not going to second guess them, because you might not have the time to, you know, and you know, it's one of those where you're depending on the diagnosis somebody, you know, might be very easy man, and, you know, not much downtime things like that, but it could be something that is much more complicated, and they're going to have to be taking some of these steps for their business to go forward. Now, they might say, I'm going to, you know, especially if they're one person shop, my business is going to be put on hold. I'll deal with it later. Yeah. They might also say, you know, because this is such a life altering thing, I want to do something different.

Okay, yeah, all kinds of possibilities. I think there's a part, if you and I fall in this category a little bit, there is a one of the things I teach in the book I've been working on is how there's an insanity stage about this. You kind of get the diagnosis, and you kind of lose your mind. You know, you can't think straight, you can't do things you I call it the insanity stage, where you just, you know, don't do things right, but you realize, then everything has changed. Because one of the things that has happened is you have lost control. You no longer have complete control of your body, your future, you may, you know, you may have a five year business plan and a you know plan for your family and whatever it would be, and that all has to shift, you know, it all has to shift on a dime, usually then, and you have to go into whatever the protocol is, treatment, surgery, whatever it would be, and that just puts you behind. You no longer have control of this. And so a lot of business people, yourself and myself included, like to be in control, right?

We like to think we got that's why we started our business. We wanted to be in charge.

We don't want to be kind of working for somebody else, or whatever the case may be. And this kind of throws that off. And so tell me what would be some of the strategies you might use with someone to help them to navigate that I know you've talked about, that's the issue. That's a problem that this also this sense of, I've lost control. There's a sense of uncertainty. What would be one strategy you might be sharing with a person who comes to with a need here?

Well, you know, obviously the first thing is that they have to trust that, you know, that I'm going to work with them, and, but then we kind of, you know, go through and take kind of inventory of where they are and what their challenges are. So we're going to look at, you know, again, things like, do they have a business continuity plan? Do they delegate, you know, some of these they might already be doing and, and so that's perfectly fine, but, you know, we can also add things in there, like mindfulness. You know, what are their sleeping habits? Okay? Are they eating? Well? Are they exercising? You know, all of those various things that are going to help them through this process, and, more importantly, things that they can continue the rest of their lives.

One thing I love that you've done, you've created a framework. I'm not sure if it's going to your training. I think it's your kind of thing. But tell me about the live L, i, v, e framework, and how that might apply here to the clients you're working with. Tell us a little bit more about that.

Well, it is an acronym. And so, you know, we kind of worked on this and, and so L is for leading with intention, you know, you set the tone, set the pace, and be the example, you know, and recognize that, you know, there are times where you might fall apart, and that's okay. You can be that example to show people that you're human. The I is for investing in yourself. You know you are the core of the business, of your life, of whatever it is. And so again, you're setting the example by showing your employees your shareholder. You know your clients that the priority is you, because it should be for them also. Then you're going to, you know, V is for voice you need to share with folks. Now, you know, every person that's personalized, you know, some people are going to share a lot about their journey, like I do, and other people might just say, Hey, I'm going through some health challenges right now. Bear with me. Okay, that's fine also. But the thing is, if you don't communicate, people will make things up. So yeah, right, right. You know, well, gee, all of a sudden the boss is not looking well, hmm, You don't suppose they're drinking, do you? Or, you know, all these various things, which will think about how you're going to communicate, right? And then, you know you're going to E is for Elevate, focus on what matters, elevate your perspective, and lead with vision, you know. And again, it's okay to say we don't know what all the answers are, but I'm going to keep you apprised of what's going on. But to me, and maybe it does come from the fact that I am a communications professional, that's what it comes back to. You know, what are you communicating? And when are you communicating it? Because we do. We make things up, right? You know, if you see that, you know, maybe the boss is late every morning. Well, we don't know why, so we're gonna make it up, you know, and, and, but again, it's, it's a totally personal choice with how much somebody wants to do. Now, clearly some of it is, is going to be dependent on your physical aspects. Sure, if you lose your hair, if you've lost weight, I mean, all of those various things, you need to be able to communicate things like that. But you know people, people will appreciate that you're sharing that with them, and that you know you're trusting them to be able to deal with that and to help out.

I think it's what this gives to that business owner, that executive type person, you know, they're thinking, they're problem solving people, right? They're thinking, how can we get this done? And this gives them a framework, kind of a point by point framework, to at least start from, you know, to lead and to invest in voice and elevate that's something that they want to they can put up on the wall with their mission statement, or whatever they could kind of follow that, that that kind of thing too, and so that that's often, and I think that's important there, because one of the things you mentioned, even on your website, is that there's a need, that there's the isolation factor can come into here. And a lot of folks want to appear strong, but being strong doesn't necessarily mean effective, you know, and because if you appear strong and you're falling apart and people don't know what's going on, that can be a real challenge for people to get it, to get it done. So lovely. What do you think is a misconception? You said that you know, the whole cancer coaching as a whole is not common, and you're particularly you may be unique in this area of executive coaching for cancer patients. What do you think are some misconceptions people may have about cancer coaching or this type of thing that that maybe you can help step up to respond to those misconceptions.

I think one of the things is people don't really understand what a coach does, you know, and, and, and we think, you know there, there's certainly been business coaches for many, many years, you know. And this is just kind of an extension of that we've all had, you know, or heard about health coaches. But I think sometimes we hear the word coach and we think, ooh, it's going to be fluffy, it's going to be Kumbaya. And now, you know, I do start my sessions with, what are you grateful for today? Because I think that's very important for people to stop and kind of think, okay, in the midst of all of this chaos and things, there's still things to be grateful for. And, you know, you and I kind of know sometimes it's, I'm grateful that I woke up, you know, and, and, but, but yeah, so there's, there's going to be some of the more emotional type of things. But, you know, again, it comes back to, I think in many cases, everybody could use a coach to some degree or another.

I certainly agree with you, and I think people have heard, you know about you've said your business coaches, and they're that's pretty common, and life coaches and nutritional coaches, and even, you know, get your health coaching for your workout at the gym or whatever could be. This is a kind of another angle on this coaching deal for to optimize your life and to help you to deal with this new challenge that has come upon you. Let me add. You this. You know, business people are still, ultimately, they're in business, and some of them are going to be looking at investment. You know, is this worth my investment? You know, my time and energy and my financial resources and because? Or is it just something I could get out of a book or a blog post or a podcast episode or something like that. So what would you say, I'm not sure. For instance, if this is the type of thing might be covered by insurance, I would doubt it, but maybe say something about that. But what would you say to someone about you're having a conversation regarding the investment, whatever it would be, time, energy and financial investment, what makes this worth it? What makes this viable, and why would investing in this be worthwhile to help you to navigate this whole situation for you,

right? Well, you're correct that this is, you know, not going to be covered by insurance, you know, and, and there's a variety of reasons for that, but, yeah, insurance doesn't cover things like a nutritional coach, a cancer coach, you know, things like that. Now you're it could be a business expense. Doesn't have to be something that you're paying for yourself, but with anything you get out of it, what you put into it, you know. And are there books? Are there YouTube videos that sure, you know, there's, there's all sorts of things. But I think when you commit to working with a coach, whether it's me or someone else, you are saying, Okay, I'm going to do what you assign me to do. I'm going to follow the program and the guidelines that you are suggesting, or at least, you know, think about it, things like that. And you're making the commitment, as opposed to, well, I'll read the book at some point and, oh, look, there's a YouTube video that I'll watch. It is just another time and resource commitment where you're saying, I'm going to put myself first and do this.

Yeah, well, again, and the reality is, when people make a commitment to both time and energy and financial investment is what they are more likely to follow through on. If it's a kind of a passive thing, you know, kind of a whatever, just listen to a video or something like that, that would be one thing.

But if you thrive, right?

If you make the commitment that over whatever it is, 12 sessions I'm going to meet with you. Me committed to that. And I think there's something to be said for coaching that's, you know, just a person to person contact as well, when you when you get together with the folks you're working with, either by zoom or in person that you have, you know, the interaction of a person to person. And to me, that's what a lot of coaching, and there's accountability, right?

You know, I have a business coach, and when I don't do the things that I have said I am going to she holds me to it, you know? She says, Well, hey, the last time we talked to you had said you were going to do XYZ. What happened, you know, and, and certainly, life happens, right? But, but, yeah, there, I think there is that accountability factor of having to tell somebody else I did this or I didn't do this. But it's also, again, being able to not feel so alone. You know, when I talk to just anybody in general who is dealing with cancer, one of the first things they say is I feel so alone. And, you know, a CEO, a business owner, you know they're in, you know, it's very difficult for them sometimes to talk with peers about, you know, anything, or even find peers. And so they don't know who to talk to. And so I, you know, a coach can be that sounding board for them, that they know they're in a safe place and they can talk to them.

Well, there's certain things you may or may not want to be vulnerable with, with your with your people in your business, or whatever it would be, or even in your community at times, and that, and the professional coach can help you do that. Let's talk about how you integrate humor to what you're about. You indicated your certified humor professional. And that's, that's awesome, too. How do you either anticipate or do integrate just a kind of a lighter side along with the hard work? I've heard you. Have heard you saying people got to do the work do. How do you integrate kind of a mind shift of positivity? You know, cancer is a big blow, negative wide, to people, negative wise. And so, how do you integrate that? Tell me what. How's that other

part? It's a lot of what we've talked about with our guests, right? You know, reminding them that, that they can laugh and they can joke about this and, and maybe how we do it ourselves, you know, you know, we've, we've talked about, you know, I, when I check in, I tell people my name is Anastasia beaver housing, right? And, and recognizing that it is okay to laugh about it. And sometimes it's kind of gallows humor, you know, and, and it's funny, because this is one of the places you know, like, if you're dealing with a coach or your physician or your care team, you kind of do have gallows humor. Sometimes. Sure, and if you were saying the same thing to someone else, they might think, Oh, well, that's not really appropriate. But you know, and then I remind people take laughter breaks. We know that it physically helps us for a variety of reasons when we laugh. So, you know, not the least of which, it helps reduce stress. It helps reduce our blood pressure. So, you know, maybe you need to watch, I Love Lucy, or, you know, read, you know, a book of bad dad jokes, all of those various things, right? You know, what can we do to kind of lighten the mood and lighten ourselves? Because it is, is a scary time, that's that grief aspect. But what can we do to kind of make it a little bit better? And you're going to be making it better for those around you too? Sure,

absolutely, because it's a really, what we're talking about here is really a total team effort. You know, this is what your target audience is people who've said that I'm going to take since I'm out of control, part of me taking back control is to get the help that I need to get this done. I'm going to see my doctor, and for the medical part of things, in some cases, they may be seeing a therapist. For the psychosocial kind of things, they're having some sort of conversations with their spouse or family to deal with those type of things interpersonally, maybe with close friends or their golfing buddies or whatever it is that way, but they may need this as well. These are the people who've said, I'm not going to let this consume me. I'm going to fight like I can get through this thing and like I've often said, to live our life to the best and to the most optimized, what it should be. And that's business thinking, I think, as well about what is, uh, how's this? How we're gonna make this thing work? And so, having said that, what do you think are maybe some, if you Deb, if you could change one thing about how the business world responds to people with cancer, what would it be?

I think we need to give them grace and understand they are dealing with something very difficult, and maybe they're going to be late for meetings. Maybe, you know, they're going to miss deadlines. It's okay. That's you know, that is not more important than dealing with their physical and mental health, you know, and so, yeah, just be appreciative of them, respect what they're going through, and maybe even say, What can I do to help you?

Well, that's awesome. I love that word grace. Well, I want to kind of bring our conversation around here to something that's always important to me, because I always think there's kind of a moment, a pivotal moment where people have shifts that happen. And you and I have talked many times about some of your physical health journey, about your you know, dealing with stage four cancer on several occasions, and all kinds of bad stuff. And even go back to our prior episodes of cancer in comedy, and catch a lot of that. And that's true, but tell me about a moment when you realize, okay, helping others, and even more of a professional manner, you know, not just only having a conversation with someone, you know, I encounter, but maybe in a professional way, what was some moment that kind of was changed things for you? Was there an encounter you had with someone, or some situation where you said, Okay, I think I might want to do this, right?

Well, it was my business coach who I've been working with for several years and she knows all about my journey, but I, you know, hired her for business aspects, right with my business wise women communications, and she kept telling me, you need to be you need to think about coaching. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you need to think about coaching. I'm like, Really, how am I going to talk to somebody about cancer? And finally, last year, I was in a car. We were driving across Texas. There's not a lot to do as you drive across and wide-open spaces.

Good, good. Good for thinking,

I know, I know, and, and so I just Googled cancer coach and first of all, not a lot came up. As I said, this is still something new, but it did come up as something that was an option. And so I think with everything in our lives, we have to be at the right place when something hits us over the head, to actually accept it. And, and I thought, you know, this is something I could do, you know, and, and, you know, sure, there's business aspects of it, but more importantly, how can I help others who are on this journey?

Yeah, well, let's go there for a second. Tell me about whether, in this professional setting, of your of your new coaching program, or some other area where you have been able to be a coach or helpful to someone and you've seen okay, this is an affirmation to me that I can do this. Tell me about one of those. Tell me about that experience.

Well, you and I do this all the time. You. You especially do this based on the fact that you were a minister. I mean, you know, helping others is in your DNA. I think helping others is kind of in my DNA, also Absolutely and you know, even if it's just things, like, I was talking to someone, and she was telling me that she was having trouble with the effects of chemo, and I said, Well, you know, what did your doctor say? And she said, Well, I didn't say anything to them about it. And I said, Well, you need to, because we all, you know. And her comment was, I thought this was normal. And I said, Well, could be I said, but it also could be something that your doctor could adjust or give you medication or do some things. And so just kind of talking with her about that I, you know, worked with a gentleman about, you know, how to continue doing business during this time. And you know, it was definitely something where he didn't really want others to know, okay, that's perfectly fine. But you know, there, there would be times where he would need to kind of explain, hey, you know, I'm taking a day off. Maybe that's all it is, right? You don't have to say, why. But again, it's just kind of being that sounding board for someone when they say, I've got a question. I need help, you know, I need some guidance. And we've been there, and we've done that right?

Been there, done that, and are doing that. And I'm so happy that you've taken this next step here, because I just think it's logical, I and I think it's affirming to you that you've got some great your experience. You know, God's put you here for a reason, and this is among those to do something, to be very helpful to others. You know, you've gone through a lot with all your cancer journey. You're a businesswoman. You have accomplishments there. You've done business coach. You've been coached. I know you do coach others business wise as well. And so I think it's a natural thing. Well, let's just bring it down to this, if people are interested overall in cancer coaching, kind of in general, tell us how people can learn more about that. And maybe if people specifically want to learn about how they can connect up with you, right?

Well, in general, go to your search engine, Google, whatever, and put it in in quotes, cancer coach, because if you know, if you know, if you don't put it in quotes, you're gonna get millions of things that come up simply because of the word cancer. So putting cancer coach, and then you can look for what you might be looking for. Maybe, you know, as I mentioned, you're looking for someone who deals specifically with your type of diagnosis. Maybe you want someone in your area, because you might want to meet in person, things like that. So, you know, just kind of start there, you know, and ask your medical care team. They might already have some examples of people that you can work with, but just be curious. And, and, you know, kind of look on Google, ask your friends Hey. You know this is what's going on. Have you heard of anybody? If you're interested in working with me, go to cancer coach. Or, I'm sorry I gave my wrong URL. Yourcancercoach.live, and that will take you to the website. And, and if it interests you, I do kind of an exploratory meeting, because we do want to make sure that it's going to be something that is going to work, you know, and, and so we, we have an initial call and, and then if it, you know, if it looks like it's good, then we go forward from there,

awesome. And I would just commit people to get over to her, to her what, to Deb's website, yourcancercoach.live. There's lots of great information there. It just kind of gives you an idea of what this is all about and what's involved and I'm happy for you, and I just think good things are going to be continue to happen here for you, and we'll look forward to part of what we do here at cancer and comedy, course, is a part of this to offer people some resources. I just see this a part of what we do at cancerandcomedy.com to offer people resources that are very practical and applicable, to help them to cope for the cancer impacted people to cope with hope and humor, and this is part of the coping process. So thanks for being part of our conversation here today. Deb Krier, the co-host here of Cancer and Comedy, and her new endeavor, executive coaching for cancer, impacted people. You can find her at yourcancercoach.live.

Well again. Thank you so much for this opportunity. But as I said, we will have and coming up right now another one of Dr Brad's bad jokes of the day.